With God, nothing is impossible.

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Moses wrote 3500 years ago and the writers of the New Testament 2000 years ago. Yet science appears only now to be catching up with God’s word. Following is proof that Jesus is God, the Son of God, and Son of man, and that he is without beginning.

The mother provides her unborn developing infant with the nutritive elements for building its physical body in her womb, but all the blood that forms in the unborn child is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the father’s contribution; therefore, not one drop of blood ever passes from the mother to the child.

And so goes the miracle of the conception of the virgin birth. Luke 1:30-35, the angel came to Mary and said --- “Behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus.” --- “The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that Holy One (Jesus) which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God.”

This was a male sperm inserted into the womb of a virgin. Was this seed taken directly from the Father or the Son? Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. Now, because Mary conceived by supernatural insemination of the Holy Spirit, and the seed was that of God, the child born of this seed was born without spot or blemish, and without a sinful nature.

So, Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh, but he did not inherit Adam's nature. Mary's geology is traced back to Adam, Luke 3:38.

This provides us with the evidence, that sin is NOT transmitted through the flesh but through the blood. And though Jesus was of the "seed of David” and of the "seed of Adam" through Mary according to the flesh" He was, 1 Timothy 3:16, “God manifest in the flesh, and as Matthew 1:23 states, “God with us.” That newborn child was born perfectly human in the flesh, and yet perfectly God. And because the seed was that of God, our faith, and his precious blood gave us victory over death and hell.

Romans 5:9, "Justified by His blood we shall be saved from wrath, through Him." The phrase, to be "saved from wrath, through Him"

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Is Jesus the first being resurrected?

I believe so.

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....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...

Bible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14

What does it mean to be the "firstborn of all creation"? Is He first of all creation?
Does it follow that "firstborn from the dead", is He the first one being resurrected? (Col 1:18) Whom Jesus is not.
It is clear that Col 1:15, Col 1:18 are illustrative of the nature, as Col 1:16-17 are an evidence of the pre-existence and divinity of Christ.”)

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence

Thanks, that is a good comparison. I think it means he is first. But, I have no problem with the idea that he is first in rank.

First-born

I am going to use two of the best Greek-to-English lexicons on the market. I will give you the meaning of "Firstborn concerning Colossians 1:5.

Both image and firstborn are titles of sovereignty and not related to metaphysical doctrines of absolute reality but to ancient conceptions of kingship. So, Jesus is accorded in respect of the created universe that place of honor and sovereignty in the kingdom.

Firstborn: when used as a trope as in Colossians 1:5, concerning Jesus Christ, it means the first, the chief, the head, one highly distinguished, and preeminent, so of Christ, as the beloved Son of God before the creation. It has nothing to do with him being created.

Colossians 1:15, "Who is in the image of the invisible God, the first-born (King over) of every creature:” Jesus is not made “after the image of God,” he is the image of the Father.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God manifest, the bearer of the might and majesty of the Father, the revealer and mediator of the creating and sustaining power of the Godhead in relation to the world.

Was Jesus the first-born of Mary? Yes.
Was he the firstborn of the brethren? Yes?
Was he the firstborn of the dead? Yes

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it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.

Where does it say Jesus is part of creation?

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it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.

Where does it say Jesus is part of creation?

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14-16

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...Both image and firstborn are titles of sovereignty and not related to metaphysical doctrines of absolute reality but to ancient conceptions of kingship. So, Jesus is accorded in respect of the created universe that place of honor and sovereignty in the kingdom.

Firstborn: when used as a trope as in Colossians 1:5, concerning Jesus Christ, it means the first, the chief, the head, one highly distinguished, and preeminent, so of Christ, as the beloved Son of God before the creation. It has nothing to do with him being created....

It would help, if that would be what the Bible tells. Unfortunately it is just an interpretation.

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...Both image and firstborn are titles of sovereignty and not related to metaphysical doctrines of absolute reality but to ancient conceptions of kingship. So, Jesus is accorded in respect of the created universe that place of honor and sovereignty in the kingdom.

Firstborn: when used as a trope as in Colossians 1:5, concerning Jesus Christ, it means the first, the chief, the head, one highly distinguished, and preeminent, so of Christ, as the beloved Son of God before the creation. It has nothing to do with him being created....

It would help, if that would be what the Bible tells. Unfortunately it is just an interpretation.

Hmm.

Have you, or are you going to actually look into (research) what placebofactor is saying?

Or are you going to continue with these knee-jerk, no -substance dismissals?

There are many scholarly commentaries on this subject, and if you can pry yourself from WTS theology just for one sec, you may be enlightened.

There is a Greek word for "first created", if this was meant in the context that you (Jehovah's Witnesses) claim it is being used.

Guess what, Paul did not use this Greek word in this context.

But your organization won't tell you this.

There are also many times in the Bible where the word "first born" is used, and it DOESN'T mean "first to be born", or "eldest" or "first in succession".

You'd have to find supplementary scriptures to support your interpretation of Col 1:15, since you cannot rely on that verse alone.

The problem is, you can't find any, as the Bible does not support this ridiculous idea that Jesus was created.

So, you guys hang your hat on one verse that doesn't even mean what you think it means, and you create an entire false doctrine from it.

Bad Bible hermeneutics, and false Biblical doctrine.

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...Both image and firstborn are titles of sovereignty and not related to metaphysical doctrines of absolute reality but to ancient conceptions of kingship. So, Jesus is accorded in respect of the created universe that place of honor and sovereignty in the kingdom.

Firstborn: when used as a trope as in Colossians 1:5, concerning Jesus Christ, it means the first, the chief, the head, one highly distinguished, and preeminent, so of Christ, as the beloved Son of God before the creation. It has nothing to do with him being created....

It would help, if that would be what the Bible tells. Unfortunately it is just an interpretation.

Yes, it is, and a very good one. Why? Because it's the truth.
Can't you see the division and confusion the doctrines of the Jehovah's Witnesses are causing in the Christian community? Those outside the Christian community mock us saying "They can't even agree on what the Bible teaches."

We teach, "Jesus is God" Witnesses say, "No he isn't."
"The Holy Spirit is a separate entity." Witnesses, "No it's the Father's breath, an "it."
"There is a hell." Witnesses, "No there isn't."
"There is a Trinity." Witnesses, "No there isn't."
'There's an antichrist coming in the future, a man of perdition." Witnesses, "No there isn't."
K.J.B. is a superior text." No, our 4th edition is the best."

And on and on it goes. This is supposed to be a debate forum, but the witnesses have made it a war of words and doctrine zone.

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...Both image and firstborn are titles of sovereignty and not related to metaphysical doctrines of absolute reality but to ancient conceptions of kingship. So, Jesus is accorded in respect of the created universe that place of honor and sovereignty in the kingdom.

Firstborn: when used as a trope as in Colossians 1:5, concerning Jesus Christ, it means the first, the chief, the head, one highly distinguished, and preeminent, so of Christ, as the beloved Son of God before the creation. It has nothing to do with him being created....

It would help, if that would be what the Bible tells. Unfortunately it is just an interpretation.

..."They can't even agree on what the Bible teaches." ...

Luckily everyone can read what the Bible teaches. And we can all agree that it says Jesus is "firstborn". Now, we could leave it as it is, and not add own meaning to it.

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There are also many times in the Bible where the word "first born" is used, and it DOESN'T mean "first to be born", or "eldest" or "first in succession".
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I can accept the idea that it means first in rank. But because it is said "of creation", I understand that means he is part of the creation, the first of creation.

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There are also many times in the Bible where the word "first born" is used, and it DOESN'T mean "first to be born", or "eldest" or "first in succession".
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I can accept the idea that it means first in rank. But because it is said "of creation", I understand that means he is part of the creation, the first of creation.

Then you should also be able to accept the fact that it means first in rank of creation, which means in all of creation, Christ is first in rank.

Not only is it literally the Greek word that Paul used, but it makes sense within context of the following verses, which states that Christ is the CREATOR of all things.

Obviously, the creator of all things would be first in rank (preeminent) over all creation, since all creation owes its existence to him.

Reading comprehension.