Lost tribes, and claiming to be a Jew

[placebofactor]

I have two questions:

1. Are the ten Northern tribes of Israel lost?

2. Why would anyone in their right mind claim to be a Jew if they were not Jews?

[placebofactor]

I have two questions:

1. Are the ten Northern tribes of Israel lost?

2. Why would anyone in their right mind claim to be a Jew if they were not Jews?

I am going to answer the second question. Why would anyone in their right mind claim to be a Jew if they were not of Jewish blood? Let’s take this back 3500 Years and fast forward it to today. Why would anyone call themselves a Jew if they were not Jews?

Four thousand years ago, the Egyptians set out to kill every Jewish baby born in Egypt. A few years later, Pharaoh set out to destroy the Jews who were leaving Egypt with Moses.

Three thousand years ago, the Philistine armies in David’s time were bent on destroying the Jews.

The Assyrians, 724 years before Christ, set out to destroy and enslave the 10 Northern tribes.

Six hundred years before Christ, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon set out to destroy the Jews and their way of life.

The Persians, because of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes were slightly more tolerant of the Jews, yet they kept them in their sights.

Alexander conquered them but spared them any great destruction.

The Seleucids had the Jews walking the line under the rule of the family of Antiochus for 200 years.

The Romans for some 400 years, overran the Land of Israel, their culture, and religion, enslaving and murdering thousands upon thousands.

This was followed by the terror of the Holy Roman Empire. Popes sat on the throne and brought to the Jews, the Crusades, the occupation of their land, then the inquisitions.

Mohammed hated the Jews, invaded their land, and killed tens of thousands.

For centuries, the Ottomans invaded and killed Jews wherever they could find them.

In the twentieth century when two World Wars broke out, millions of Jews were killed.

In Turkey today, the place where Paul taught, Jews have been banished, and God only knows how many have been killed in the past 200 years.

Today, in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Libya, Jordan, and other Muslim nations, few if any Jewish communities remain.

In Russia, China, Korea, and Japan, hatred for the Jews is alive and well. It has spread to most European nations and is now raising its head on American soil. Satanic forces are at work. They are working 24/7 to knock down and trample both Jews and Christians.

So, why would anyone who is not a Jew claim to be a Jew? My answer is they wouldn’t! Why would they? Who wants to die for something that is nothing but an act?

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes, I suppose they are now (in the sense that nobody can in reality trace their ancestry back to Abraham).


WERE THE TEN TRIBES LOST?

Note the followinng from the bible Encyclopedia Insight on the Scriptures

besides many private family records, the Jews kept public records of genealogies and that the chroniclers, such as Ezra, had access to these when compiling their lists; also, that the public registers existed in the first century evidently up until 70 C.E. - Vol I p. 915

CONCLUSION Historians like Ezra (and famililal and community records) enabled the preservation of geneological lineage that preserved the tribal identities of the Israelites. The result is that up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE all 12 tribes existed as distinct patriarchal groups, none of which were lost.


Further reading
https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-ten-lost-tribes/

[placebofactor]

Yes, I suppose they are now (in the sense that nobody can in reality trace their ancestry back to Abraham).

The LORD knows who they are! That's what's important, not the records of men.


WERE YHF TRN TRIBES LOST?

Note the followinng from the bible Encyclopedia Insight on the Scriptures

besides many private family records, the Jews kept public records of genealogies and that the chroniclers, such as Ezra, had access to these when compiling their lists; also, that the public registers existed in the first century evidently up until 70 C.E. - Vol I p. 915

What's your point? I'm curious, what does the next sentence say?

CONCLUSION Historians like Ezra (and famililal and community records) enabled the preservation of geneological lineage that preserved the tribal identities of the Israelites. The result is that up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE all 12 tribes existed as distinct patriarchal groups, none of which were lost.

It is estimated there were at least 4 million or more Jews in Israel when the Roman legions attacked them in 70 A.D. One million were murdered, I believe 70,000 were taken to Rome. But millions of Jews remained in the land. As far the tribe they belong to can be sorted out by their last names, like Levy, Benjamin, and Judea. The LORD will sort out the rest, his records are complete.


Further reading
https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-ten-lost-tribes/

[JehovahsWitness]

What's your point? I'm curious

My point is : That at the time the bible was being written, the ten tribes were not "lost" but today, thousands of years later, for all intent and purposes they are.

[placebofactor]

What's your point? I'm curious

My point is : That at the time the bible was being written, the ten tribes were not "lost" but today, thousands of years later, for all intent and purposes they are.

Only the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and Catholics follow that line of thinking. When you say lost, are you meaning they can't find their way home, or they don't exist? They exist. My proof, Israel exists today, and 8 million Jews of all 12 tribes now live in Israel.

Read the following words of God very carefully.

Ezekiel 36:24-29, "I (the LORD) will take you (the Jews) from among the heathen (Gentile nations) and gather you out of all countries and will bring you into your own land (Israel).
Thin will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean:

Verse26, "I will give you a new heart --- and a new spirit will I put within you:

Verse 27, "I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

Verse 28, "Amd you (the Jews) shall dwell (live) in the land that I gave to your fathers (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and his 12 sons) and you shall be my people, an I will be your god."

This is a future prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled. But it has begun; when? May 14:1948." Now compare the above with Hosea 5:15, and 6:1-2."

[JehovahsWitness]

What's your point? I'm curious

My point is : That at the time the bible was being written, the ten tribes were not "lost" but today, thousands of years later, for all intent and purposes they are.

...When you say lost, are you meaning they can't find their way home, or they don't exist?

Neither. "lost" as in, since the destruction of the temple and ancestrial records in 70CE nobody today can actually prove they are a direct descendant of Abraham or legally prove which of the bloodlines tribes they belong to.



JW

[placebofactor]

What's your point? I'm curious

My point is : That at the time the bible was being written, the ten tribes were not "lost" but today, thousands of years later, for all intent and purposes they are.

...When you say lost, are you meaning they can't find their way home, or they don't exist?

Neither. "lost" as in, since the destruction of the temple and ancestrial records in 70CE nobody today can actually prove they are a direct descendant of Abraham or legally prove which of the bloodlines tribes they belong to.



JW

So what you're implying is, that Jehovah cannot keep track of today's individual Jews and the tribes they belong to? My Bible reads, Luke 12:7, "Even the hairs of your head are all numbered." Why do you think he created DNA? One reason may be so he could keep track of the tribe of the Jews. Science can take DNA samples from a person and pinpoint his ancestry. If man can, so can the LORD. No problem! H created it all.

[JehovahsWitness]

Neither. "lost" as in, since the destruction of the temple and ancestrial records in 70CE nobody today can actually prove they are a direct descendant of Abraham or legally prove which of the bloodlines tribes they belong to.



JW

So what you're implying is, that Jehovah cannot keep track of today's individual Jews and the tribes they belong to? ...

I am implying nothing of the kind, I am saying that nobody claiming to be a decendant of Abraham from this or that tribe can biblically prove to be such.

[placebofactor]

Neither. "lost" as in, since the destruction of the temple and ancestrial records in 70CE nobody today can actually prove they are a direct descendant of Abraham or legally prove which of the bloodlines tribes they belong to.



JW

So what you're implying is, that Jehovah cannot keep track of today's individual Jews and the tribes they belong to? ...

I am implying nothing of the kind, I am saying that nobody claiming to be a decendant of Abraham from this or that tribe can biblically prove to be such.

They sure can. Go, ask any Orthodox Jews, "What tribe do you belong to?" Most will identify what tribe they are from because of their last names. Someone is giving you a whole lot of misinformation.