The UNITED NATIONS will turn against the world religions?

[JehovahsWitness]

• Do you think you will always remember that Jehovahs Witnesses are the only religion on earth that believes the "wild beast" of the book of Revelation is the United Nations ?

• Do you think you will remember that JWs alone believe the attack of Babylon the Great in the bible represents the total destruction of all religious organisations on earth and an attempt eventually to destroy that of Jehovah's Witnesses themselves ?

• What do you think your reaction would be if one day all religions institutons* were abolished?

*individuals remaining free to practice their religion in the privacy of their own homes

[Purple Knight]

Whether or not you feel like a group is hurting people will not come to mind If a heavy armed group comes to your door asking where JWs are, I can assure you, it will stand out as unprecedented.

I've wrestled with this as well and I've come to the conclusion that justice dispensed with terrible motives is still justice. I would not have a rapist go free just because the person who wants to imprison him only wants to imprison him because of racism or even just because he hates the guy's guts. So it doesn't depend on how awful the Beast is who is trying to get rid of you. It depends on whether your organisation is protecting child abusers. An organisation that does that deserves to be disbanded. I'm on the fence about JWs but Catholics and Muslims will get no mercy from me. I will bloody tell them to go hide in my attic and then go, "They're in my attic, officer. Gathered 'em all up for you." And yes I will remember this thread. I hope you remember my prediction in kind that the Amish and Mennonites will also survive if this happens.

And this is why false religion must be removed, It also the reason why JWs have the disfellowshipping arrangement. Some, change their ways and return to do what is right. There are those that hate us for that arrangement and it is that spirit of hatred that has no place in God Kingdom.

What if it's not out of hatred that people can't forgive child abusers, but more a spirit of, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me? You cannot let these people near your kids. For every one that says he's sorry and means it, there's probably one that's just lying to get more little boy candy. And you know what? The one who's actually sorry will understand why you have to kick both of them out. If it were me I'd tell them they can come back after they've been neutered. If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off, isn't that so?

Well, who knows, depending on your heart condition, than perhaps I will see you in the new earth to come and then you will not be an atheist anymore. You'll be one of those who now wish there wasn't a bunch of nasty religions, but will actually live to see it come true. I wonder sometimes if we will even use the word religion again when the correct way to service God is clearly defined.

I truly hope the cycle does break, but this word thing is something that happens continuously and nobody has yet figured out how to stop it. The ruiners have now ruined atheism the way they ruined religion. I'm convinced they're the same group of people. A bunch of popularity-grubbers and status-seekers jumped the bandwagon after atheism became popular in the early 2000s. But they're idiots and real atheists like me don't want them. They will tell you they are skeptical and rational and then say "trust the science" to mean doubt and questioning are absolutely not allowed. They will lay down moral absolutes like they think they're playing poker with Christians and they're trying to make the Christians fold. The ruiners made themselves seem better and made atheism worse. Once atheism is seen as idiocy they'll be onto the next good and logical and pure thing someone with honest motives has made, and they'll uptake all the merit people who struggled against religious dogma to earn, merit that belongs rightfully to people who stood up for the right to ask questions, not to those who now silence them in the name of science and rationality. These people did it to religion before they did it to atheism, gaining social status and leaving a crumbling mess of disrepute in their wake. Whatever you call the next good and honest thing, the ruiners will just get to that too, suck it dry, then roll around in whatever is left and poop.

[JehovahsWitness]

...And yes I will remember this thread.

Good.

... I hope you remember my prediction in kind that the Amish and Mennonites will also survive if this happens.

Sincere individuals (from any religion) will have the opportunity to survive armageddon if they make wise decisions while there is time (see Rev 18:4). Biblically though, only ONE religious organization will survive the destruction of Babylon (as only one religion is recognised by God ). So it will have to be the Amish OR Mennonites (not "the Amish AND the Mennonites"). That or it will be the only religion on earth that is actually announcing the event beforhand, the Jehovah's Witnesses.

[Purple Knight]

Sincere individuals (from any religion) will have the opportunity to survive armageddon if they make wise decisions while there is time (see Rev 18:4). Biblically though, only ONE religious organization will survive the destruction of Babylon (as only one religion is recognised by God ). So it will have to be the Amish OR Mennonites (not "the Amish AND the Mennonites"). That or it will be the only religion on earth that is actually announcing the event beforhand, the Jehovah's Witnesses.

As long as you're judging by the same standards when the dust has settled, and you won't say that those 324 Amish all still alive, living together with their rules intact, are just 324 individual Amish people who survived, but these 321 JWs who are still alive with their rules intact, living together, mean that the organisation has survived.

[2timothy316]

Whether or not you feel like a group is hurting people will not come to mind If a heavy armed group comes to your door asking where JWs are, I can assure you, it will stand out as unprecedented.

I've wrestled with this as well and I've come to the conclusion that justice dispensed with terrible motives is still justice. I would not have a rapist go free just because the person who wants to imprison him only wants to imprison him because of racism or even just because he hates the guy's guts. So it doesn't depend on how awful the Beast is who is trying to get rid of you. It depends on whether your organisation is protecting child abusers. An organisation that does that deserves to be disbanded. I'm on the fence about JWs but Catholics and Muslims will get no mercy from me. I will bloody tell them to go hide in my attic and then go, "They're in my attic, officer. Gathered 'em all up for you." And yes I will remember this thread. I hope you remember my prediction in kind that the Amish and Mennonites will also survive if this happens.

Those that separate themselves from society will not get a pass. While they themselves might make it through the Great Tribulation and Armageddon, their religion will not. I don't think many understand the scope of the Great Tribulation. The Bible calls it the greatest disaster the world will have ever seen. The world has seen many huge disasters. The Black Plague and WWII just to name a few. The GT will put those disasters to shame. Everyone will be affected by the GT, even Amish and Mennonites. The GT is going to expose what kind of person everyone is and they will be judged during that time.

And this is why false religion must be removed, It also the reason why JWs have the disfellowshipping arrangement. Some, change their ways and return to do what is right. There are those that hate us for that arrangement and it is that spirit of hatred that has no place in God Kingdom.

What if it's not out of hatred that people can't forgive child abusers, but more a spirit of, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me? You cannot let these people near your kids. For every one that says he's sorry and means it, there's probably one that's just lying to get more little boy candy. And you know what? The one who's actually sorry will understand why you have to kick both of them out. If it were me I'd tell them they can come back after they've been neutered. If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off, isn't that so?

I have full confidence in Jeremiah 46:28 where it says that Jehovah disciplines to the proper degree. I also know that no man can judge and discipline correctly and JWs will not try to say who should get what. Even if there is a JW member that is doing awful sins, may Jehovah deal with them according to His judgement and not mine or any other human. JWs will not be executing judgement on any person during the GT or Armageddon.

Well, who knows, depending on your heart condition, than perhaps I will see you in the new earth to come and then you will not be an atheist anymore. You'll be one of those who now wish there wasn't a bunch of nasty religions, but will actually live to see it come true. I wonder sometimes if we will even use the word religion again when the correct way to service God is clearly defined.

I truly hope the cycle does break, but this word thing is something that happens continuously and nobody has yet figured out how to stop it. The ruiners have now ruined atheism the way they ruined religion. I'm convinced they're the same group of people. A bunch of popularity-grubbers and status-seekers jumped the bandwagon after atheism became popular in the early 2000s. But they're idiots and real atheists like me don't want them. They will tell you they are skeptical and rational and then say "trust the science" to mean doubt and questioning are absolutely not allowed. They will lay down moral absolutes like they think they're playing poker with Christians and they're trying to make the Christians fold. The ruiners made themselves seem better and made atheism worse. Once atheism is seen as idiocy they'll be onto the next good and logical and pure thing someone with honest motives has made, and they'll uptake all the merit people who struggled against religious dogma to earn, merit that belongs rightfully to people who stood up for the right to ask questions, not to those who now silence them in the name of science and rationality. These people did it to religion before they did it to atheism, gaining social status and leaving a crumbling mess of disrepute in their wake. Whatever you call the next good and honest thing, the ruiners will just get to that too, suck it dry, then roll around in whatever is left and poop.

Yes, ruiners are definitely a thing. If that thing isn't backed by the true God Jehovah, it will eventually be corrupted by ruiners with selfish desires. They did indeed corrupt Christianity, but only because God allowed it. Jehovah has also allow the world to try all the types of way of governing itself. But what has happened? Ruiners happened. Over and over and over again, what seems like a good thing ends up with ruiners in control. It taints everything every time over time.

Have runiners tried to corrupt JWs? Most definitely! They have even made it to high leading positions. They eventually are discovered and removed if they do not follow Bible principles. Those that don't follow Bible principles stick out like sore thumbs when they start trying to influence others with their selfish ways. They start trying to lead people in their own ways and that is strictly forbidden by the Bible. (Isn't this exactly what happened to 'Christianity'?) Our goal as JWs is to keep worship to God as pure as we can. To accomplish this we must be "of the same mind and having the same love, being completely united, having the one thought in mind". (Philippians 2:2) People scrutinize us for trying to follow Phil 2:2. However, I think there are those that see the wisdom in it if they have lived long enough to watch things fall apart because of those that do not live by this commandment. If JWs ever fracture as all other religions have done, then clearly we are not God's chosen people.

So, it is not a surprise that atheism has had its fractures due to as you call them, ruiners. Any organization, believing in God or not, will fracture if God isn't backing it. Acts 5:39 reminds us that if God backs it, then it can't be stopped.

[JehovahsWitness]

Sincere individuals (from any religion) will have the opportunity to survive armageddon if they make wise decisions while there is time (see Rev 18:4). Biblically though, only ONE religious organization will survive the destruction of Babylon (as only one religion is recognised by God ). So it will have to be the Amish OR Mennonites (not "the Amish AND the Mennonites"). That or it will be the only religion on earth that is actually announcing the event beforhand, the Jehovah's Witnesses.

As long as you're judging by the same standards when the dust has settled, and you won't say that those 324 Amish all still alive, living together with their rules intact, are just 324 individual Amish people who survived, but these 321 JWs who are still alive with their rules intact, living together, mean that the organisation has survived.

It's not me that does the judging, I'm just pointing out bible prophecy , namely that only one religious organisation will survive the destruction of Babylon the Great not two. I would be only too delighted if all the Amish and Mennonites survive Armageddon, and it certainly is not my place to judge them but as an organization with as you say "its own rules" (ie a religious structure and system that distinguishes them as separate and different from Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses) then it will be either us or one of them not both.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Sincere individuals (from any religion) will have the opportunity to survive armageddon if they make wise decisions while there is time (see Rev 18:4). Biblically though, only ONE religious organization will survive the destruction of Babylon (as only one religion is recognised by God ). So it will have to be the Amish OR Mennonites (not "the Amish AND the Mennonites"). That or it will be the only religion on earth that is actually announcing the event beforhand, the Jehovah's Witnesses.

As long as you're judging by the same standards when the dust has settled, and you won't say that those 324 Amish all still alive, living together with their rules intact, are just 324 individual Amish people who survived, but these 321 JWs who are still alive with their rules intact, living together, mean that the organisation has survived.

It's not me that does the judging, I'm just pointing out bible prophecy , namely that only one religious organisation will survive the destruction of Babylon the Great not two. I would be only too delighted if all the Amish and Mennonites survive Armageddon, and it certainly is not my place to judge them but as an organization with as you say "its own rules" (ie a religious structure and system that distinguishes them as separate and different from Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses) then it will be either us or one of them not both.

Even though I must disagree that BTG represents all false religions, could you please present the scripture(s) that state one religious organization will survive the destruction of all false religions?

Peace again to you, and to you all.

[tam]

Peace again to you,

It is probably only fair that I also respond to the questions you posed in the OP:

• Do you think you will always remember that Jehovahs Witnesses are the only religion on earth that believes the "wild beast" of the book of Revelation is the United Nations ?

I will remember that JWs believe this.

I do not know if there are any other religions that believe the same; there are a lot of religions out there.

• Do you think you will remember that JWs alone believe the attack of Babylon the Great in the bible represents the total destruction of all religious organisations on earth and an attempt eventually to destroy that of Jehovah's Witnesses themselves ?

Same answer as above.

• What do you think your reaction would be if one day all religions institutons* were abolished?

*individuals remaining free to practice their religion in the privacy of their own homes

I would not be surprised. This is not a unique JW belief. I am not so sure people will remain free to practice their religion in the privacy of their own homes. Maybe at first.

(note: all religious institutions includes the JW religious institution.)


Peace again to you

[onewithhim]

Peace to you,

Sincere individuals (from any religion) will have the opportunity to survive armageddon if they make wise decisions while there is time (see Rev 18:4). Biblically though, only ONE religious organization will survive the destruction of Babylon (as only one religion is recognised by God ). So it will have to be the Amish OR Mennonites (not "the Amish AND the Mennonites"). That or it will be the only religion on earth that is actually announcing the event beforhand, the Jehovah's Witnesses.

As long as you're judging by the same standards when the dust has settled, and you won't say that those 324 Amish all still alive, living together with their rules intact, are just 324 individual Amish people who survived, but these 321 JWs who are still alive with their rules intact, living together, mean that the organisation has survived.

It's not me that does the judging, I'm just pointing out bible prophecy , namely that only one religious organisation will survive the destruction of Babylon the Great not two. I would be only too delighted if all the Amish and Mennonites survive Armageddon, and it certainly is not my place to judge them but as an organization with as you say "its own rules" (ie a religious structure and system that distinguishes them as separate and different from Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses) then it will be either us or one of them not both.

Even though I must disagree that BTG represents all false religions, could you please present the scripture(s) that state one religious organization will survive the destruction of all false religions?

Peace again to you, and to you all.

The scriptures say that there is a religion with one line of thought, without divisions. "Now I exhort you , brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." (I Corinthians 1:10) "That with one accord you may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 15:5)

"Earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism." (Ephesians 4: 3,4) This shows there is one religion that will always be acceptable to God. Just one. ("One body, one faith.")

[Purple Knight]

It's not me that does the judging, I'm just pointing out bible prophecy, namely that only one religious organisation will survive the destruction of Babylon the Great not two. I would be only too delighted if all the Amish and Mennonites survive Armageddon, and it certainly is not my place to judge them but as an organization with as you say "its own rules" (ie a religious structure and system that distinguishes them as separate and different from Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses) then it will be either us orone of them not both.

I actually think the UN is likely to turn on religion. The UN or somebody. The Muslims have worn out everyone's welcome and despite what people like to think, there is not infinite tolerance in people's hearts and you can't have religion the way it is now: As an immunity blanket that lets the religious do anything they want because, "My personal beliefs." You think it's a prophecy. I think something's gotta give. But we both agree this far that it'll happen (well, I think it probably will).

What sets your prophecy apart is that you think only one religious organisation will survive. I think any religious organisation with a good and reliable community is likely to.

That's why, just as I will have to say you got it right if JWs are the last religious organisation standing, you will have to say you got it wrong if more than one religious organisation survives.

Dis's how we do it in logic country, partner. Get yer hypothesis and get ready to draw. We'll see who's still standing after the dust settles.

(People don't do this anymore, but they need to. We get too caught up in whose side said what and nobody wants to say anything definite or stand for their hypothesis. Well you have. And I will.)

[tam]

Peace to you!

Peace to you,

Sincere individuals (from any religion) will have the opportunity to survive armageddon if they make wise decisions while there is time (see Rev 18:4). Biblically though, only ONE religious organization will survive the destruction of Babylon (as only one religion is recognised by God ). So it will have to be the Amish OR Mennonites (not "the Amish AND the Mennonites"). That or it will be the only religion on earth that is actually announcing the event beforhand, the Jehovah's Witnesses.

As long as you're judging by the same standards when the dust has settled, and you won't say that those 324 Amish all still alive, living together with their rules intact, are just 324 individual Amish people who survived, but these 321 JWs who are still alive with their rules intact, living together, mean that the organisation has survived.

It's not me that does the judging, I'm just pointing out bible prophecy , namely that only one religious organisation will survive the destruction of Babylon the Great not two. I would be only too delighted if all the Amish and Mennonites survive Armageddon, and it certainly is not my place to judge them but as an organization with as you say "its own rules" (ie a religious structure and system that distinguishes them as separate and different from Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses) then it will be either us or one of them not both.

Even though I must disagree that BTG represents all false religions, could you please present the scripture(s) that state one religious organization will survive the destruction of all false religions?

Peace again to you, and to you all.

The scriptures say that there is a religion with one line of thought, without divisions. "Now I exhort you , brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." (I Corinthians 1:10) "That with one accord you may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 15:5)

I don't think these verses say what you are seeing. I can certainly see that Paul is exhorting some of His brothers to be united and not to have divisions among them (because they did have divisions, for example, some were saying they followed Apollos, and some were saying Cephas, etc.)

But I do not see Paul saying anything about a religion organization, or that one day, one such organization will survive the destruction of all false religion.

"Earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism." (Ephesians 4: 3,4) This shows there is one religion that will always be acceptable to God. Just one. ("One body, one faith.")

One body, one faith, one hope... yes. But this is referring to people who have been called (to one hope), people who have one Lord, one faith, one baptism (Mark 1:8). Because Paul is correct - there is only one body, one spirit, one Lord.

The one body that is the body of Christ, the Church (the people who are in Christ, in His Body, having Him as their head.)


For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior. Ephesians 5:23




This is not about a religious organization. It is about Christ and his Church (His wife.)




Peace again to you.