When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

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When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

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Simple concept, simple question. Will you say that to Him to His face?

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Re: When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:44 pm
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As Jesus quoted this verse, it just proves that Jesus is God. The "me" here is God the Father and "me" in Mark 7:7 implied that Jesus is God. As it is vain to worship the Father and Jesus while teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (If Jesus is man to you, your worship to Him is vain.)

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.
Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?
Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.
Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?
No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.
As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/
Yes, I agree.
Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."
As JW professed as a Christian you follow closely Jesus steps in 1 Peter 2:21.
But it is not of God. Yes or no.

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Re: When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

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Capbook wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:44 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:05 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:17 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:32 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:11 pm

The LORD in Isaiah 29 is Jehovah. It is He who is referred to in the verse that Jesus quotes.
Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?
Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.
Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?
No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.
As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/
Yes, I agree.
Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."
As JW professed as a Christian you follow closely Jesus steps in 1 Peter 2:21.
But it is not of God. Yes or no.
It is of God.

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Re: When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:44 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:05 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:17 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:32 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:15 pm

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the Father as they taught the precept of men including Jesus?
Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.
Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?
No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.
As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/
Yes, I agree.
Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."
As JW professed as a Christian you follow closely Jesus steps in 1 Peter 2:21.
But it is not of God. Yes or no.
It is of God.
Can you prove that the steps of Jesus is the steps of God in that text?
Is it your belief that the Father is always in heaven?

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Re: When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:44 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:05 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:17 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:32 am
Could you re-state that please? Your sentence is confusing.
Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?
No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.
As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/
Yes, I agree.
Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."
As JW professed as a Christian you follow closely Jesus steps in 1 Peter 2:21.
But it is not of God. Yes or no.
It is of God.
Can you prove that the steps of Jesus is the steps of God in that text?
Is it your belief that the Father is always in heaven?
If we read more of the Bible we know that whatever Jesus does he does because the Father told him what to do. (John 5:19)
Yes, the Father is always in heaven. He sends his representatives to the earth in his stead.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:44 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:05 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:17 pm

Do the Father mean that those people's heart far from the God as they taught the precept of men? (Isa 29:13)
Do that include the teachings of your man Jesus?
No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.
As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/
Yes, I agree.
Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."
As JW professed as a Christian you follow closely Jesus steps in 1 Peter 2:21.
But it is not of God. Yes or no.
It is of God.
Can you prove that the steps of Jesus is the steps of God in that text?
Is it your belief that the Father is always in heaven?
If we read more of the Bible we know that whatever Jesus does he does because the Father told him what to do. (John 5:19)
Yes, the Father is always in heaven. He sends his representatives to the earth in his stead.
Then whose steps is on 1 Pet 2:21? Is it of the Father or of Jesus?
As representative is not a Bible word.

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Re: When You Stand Before Jesus, Will You Say To Him "You Are Not God?"

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:44 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:05 pm
No, Jesus taught the precepts of God. The Pharisees did not. They taught the precepts of men.
As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/
Yes, I agree.
Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."
As JW professed as a Christian you follow closely Jesus steps in 1 Peter 2:21.
But it is not of God. Yes or no.
It is of God.
Can you prove that the steps of Jesus is the steps of God in that text?
Is it your belief that the Father is always in heaven?
If we read more of the Bible we know that whatever Jesus does he does because the Father told him what to do. (John 5:19)
Yes, the Father is always in heaven. He sends his representatives to the earth in his stead.
Then whose steps is on 1 Pet 2:21? Is it of the Father or of Jesus?
As representative is not a Bible word.
It depends what version you are referring to. "Representative" also refers to His angels and Jesus. That is what they do when they come to the earth. They are representing Jehovah, because He is too great to come to the earth Himself. (I Kings 8:27) The steps in I Peter 2:21 are Jesus' steps. He does what the Father tells him to do (John 5:19, 12:49,50), so those steps are as if Jehovah made them Himself.

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:49 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:44 pm

As JW are Christians, why you try to follow Jesus steps but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21.)

1 Peter 2:21  In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you,a leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/
Yes, I agree.
Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."
As JW professed as a Christian you follow closely Jesus steps in 1 Peter 2:21.
But it is not of God. Yes or no.
It is of God.
Can you prove that the steps of Jesus is the steps of God in that text?
Is it your belief that the Father is always in heaven?
If we read more of the Bible we know that whatever Jesus does he does because the Father told him what to do. (John 5:19)
Yes, the Father is always in heaven. He sends his representatives to the earth in his stead.
Then whose steps is on 1 Pet 2:21? Is it of the Father or of Jesus?
As representative is not a Bible word.
It depends what version you are referring to. "Representative" also refers to His angels and Jesus. That is what they do when they come to the earth. They are representing Jehovah, because He is too great to come to the earth Himself. (I Kings 8:27) The steps in I Peter 2:21 are Jesus' steps. He does what the Father tells him to do (John 5:19, 12:49,50), so those steps are as if Jehovah made them Himself.
Just as if but it is not really the steps of the Father is that what you mean?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:30 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:49 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:41 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:28 pm
Yes, I agree.
Do that mean that you follow closely the teachings, behavior and steps of (your man) Jesus but not of God? (1 Pet 2:21)
I posted that link above.
I follow Jesus, and he taught his followers that he was speaking to them what God told him to speak. So what Jesus said was "of God."
As JW professed as a Christian you follow closely Jesus steps in 1 Peter 2:21.
But it is not of God. Yes or no.
It is of God.
Can you prove that the steps of Jesus is the steps of God in that text?
Is it your belief that the Father is always in heaven?
If we read more of the Bible we know that whatever Jesus does he does because the Father told him what to do. (John 5:19)
Yes, the Father is always in heaven. He sends his representatives to the earth in his stead.
Then whose steps is on 1 Pet 2:21? Is it of the Father or of Jesus?
As representative is not a Bible word.
It depends what version you are referring to. "Representative" also refers to His angels and Jesus. That is what they do when they come to the earth. They are representing Jehovah, because He is too great to come to the earth Himself. (I Kings 8:27) The steps in I Peter 2:21 are Jesus' steps. He does what the Father tells him to do (John 5:19, 12:49,50), so those steps are as if Jehovah made them Himself.
Just as if but it is not really the steps of the Father is that what you mean?
They are Jesus' steps, representing the Father who would walk in the same way if He was on Earth. (I Kings 8:27; John 5:19, 12:49,50)

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Benson wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:00 pm Simple concept, simple question. Will you say that to Him to His face?
I know Jesus is God.
He is my God.
He is in me and I am in Him.

If He were not God then I could not do all things in Him.
In God the Christ I can do all things.

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slowrider wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:17 am
Benson wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:00 pm Simple concept, simple question. Will you say that to Him to His face?
I know Jesus is God.
He is my God.
He is in me and I am in Him.

If He were not God then I could not do all things in Him.
In God the Christ I can do all things.
Jesus is true God. (1 John 5:20)
No one is called in the form of God before He became human. (Phil 2:6)

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