Is There Unity in The Protestantism Sects?

[Joshua]

Hi this particular writing is just describing why Protestant sects are not the church of Christ, I mean no offence by offending protestant but I only speak the truth.

The reason I say this, is because The Church is the bride of Christ as we all know how can he marry all of these churches?... Lord Jesus prayed to his Father and asked that they ( the church ) may remain one like he is with the father, also many other passages say so...

You may say " the Church" is not Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant but the spiritual beliefs of everyone having faith in Lord Jesus.
But that must be wrong. It is also condemned in scripture by Lord Jesus when he states that a kingdom divided against itself cannot last.
Therefore we conclude that the Church must be ONE, and remained ONE since the BEGINNING... what church has remained ONE in LORD JESUS since the BEGINNING... They is only one church that can trace it's history right back to the BEGINNING... The Catholic Church!




Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is ONE BODY, AND ONE SPIRIT even as ye are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, etc.---Eph. 4-3 to 5-3:



The Church of Christ Is and must be only ONE (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13

Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.

His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2).

Although some Catholics dissent from officially-taught doctrines, the Church’s official teachers—the pope and the bishops united with him—have never changed any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.

According to "The Christian Sourcebook" (1986 pg.326), there were "21,000 denominations in 1986, with 270 new ones being formed each year." All of these are Protestant. As of January, 1997, there were more than 28,000 Protestant denominations. Each of these denominations are certain that they are the only group that understands God's revelation, and that no one else in the last 2,000 years has found the true teaching of Jesus.

The Protestant Churches Have Not Unity. In the sects taken all together or individually there is no unity because there is no common teaching and ruling authority to which members must submit. Hence, there is no bond of unity. All the sects together do not form one society. They differ widely and marvelously in faith, and are independent of each other.

Each sect taken by itself has no unity. The members do not know what to believe, and in following the principle of private judgment they have lost the very principle of unity.

In ruling they have no unity. The rule of the leaders in each sect is little respected, easily rejected, and advisory rather than a legislative, judicial and coactive power.

Such must be the type of the only possible leadership or rule which is left them, for the members of each sect guide themselves, not by what the rulers say or direct, but only by their own private judgment. This is the foundation of Protestantism and renders obedience to authority, and even the very existence of authority, impossible. If each individual can judge what he is to believe, an how he is to guide himself according to those individual beliefs, how can any central authority direct individual beliefs, how can any central authority direct individual? If private judgment is the norm for each individual, no other authority can exist. "Baptism, the Eucharist, Penance, Marriage, the sacrifice of the Mass, the historicity and inspiration of the Scriptures, the Resurrection of the Christ Our Lord, His very Divinity—and we might add almost indefinitely to the list—are all doctrines on which an approved and acknowledged member of the Church of England may believe almost anything he chooses. And he is free to do so because he has no authoritative teacher to whom all must listen. No doubt, there are the Holy Scriptures, the early Councils and tradition, which many Anglicans hold in unquestioning reverence. But where is the living authoritative interpreter? Who is to apply the dead rule to present issues? As matters stand, it must be each man’s private judgment. Synods and Convocations, whether or York or Canterbury, of Ireland, or the United States, or even or all the Anglican Churches, make no claim to an infallible authority. Formularies are dead things; and there is no living judge of controversies. No wonder that the very foundation of the Faith are so uncertain, that there is such diversity of belief, and such vital and never-ending differences. And no wonder we fail to find in such a Church that Kingdom of Christ on earth, which He promised should be ever on in faith, in worship and in government."

BELLOW WE LIST THE SUBDIVISIONS AND SPLINTER GROUPS OF SEVERAL MAJOR PROTESTANT SECTS

Lutherans

Reformed Church
Anglicans
Presbyterians
Baptist
Methodist


Lutheran: The name of an heretical sect founded by Martin Luther, who was born at Eisleben, Germany, Nov. 10, 1483; attended a Catholic Latin school at Mansfeld, and in 1497, when fourteen years old, entered another Catholic University of Erfurt in Thuringia, in 1501, where he became a Master of Philosophy at the age of twenty. On July 17, 1505 he entered the Augustinian monastery at Erfurt, and in 1507 was ordained a Catholic priest. In 1508 he was made professor of philosophy at the new Catholic University of Wittenberg, visited Rome in 1510 or 1511 on business of his Order, and sometime after his return began to lecture on the Scriptures. On Oct. 31, 1517 he nailed his 95 theses against indulgences to the door of the church in Wittenberg. On Sept. 21, 1520 he was excommunicated by Pope Leo X. Later he married an ex-nun, Catherine von Bora, and finally died in 1546.

Luther denied tradition; the divine authority of the Papacy; that councils were infallible; that original justice was a supernatural gift; that human nature remained essentially the same in its powers after the fall of Adam; that man, after the fall, can produce any good works; held that man sins in whatever he does; that the sins of the just are covered by faith and not done away with; maintained that all works of sinners are sins; denied free-will; all the Sacraments except Baptism and the Eucharist; transubstantiation; the Sacrifice of the Mass; purgatory and the utility of praying to the Saints; he maintained that vows are made to the devil; that concupiscence is invincible; that the sensual instincts are irrepressible, and held that the gratification of sexual propensities is as natural and inexorable as the performance of any of the physiological necessities of our being. Lutheranism in general and all the Protestant sects that developed from it were condemned by the Council of Treat (1545-1563).

1818 - Ohio Lutheran Synod
1930 - American Lutheran Church
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1820 - General Lutheran Synod
1863 - United Synod South
1867 - General Lutheran Council
1918 - United Lutheran Church in America
1962 - Lutheran Church in America
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1847 - Lutheran Church Missouri Synod
1976 - Association of Evangelical Lutherans
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1854 Iowa Lutheran Synod
1930 - American Lutheran Church
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1860 - Swedish Augustana Synod
1962 - Lutheran Church in America
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1872 - American Evangelical Lutheran Church
1962 - Lutheran Church in America
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1890 - Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Church
1962 - Lutheran Church in America
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1896 - United Evangelical Lutheran Church
1960 - American Lutheran Church
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1900 - Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
1988 - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
1918 - Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod
1929 - Apostolic Lutheran Church of America


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Reformed Church: Guido de Bres, a Dutch reformer of Brabant, together with others, wrote in 1561 the statement of faith, called the Belgic Confession, which formed the doctrinal foundation of the Reformed Dutch Church.

These heretics believed in predestination; denied the supremacy of the Pope; free-will; the Sacraments; good works; purgatory; the forgiveness of sin, and considered the Scriptures the only rule of faith.

1628 - Dutch Reformed Church
1857 - Christian Reformed Church
1926 - Protestant Reformed Churches of America
1867 - Reformed Church in America
1628 - Puritans/Congregationalists
Evangelical Protestant Church of North America
1931 - Congregational Christian Churches
1957 - United Church of Christ
1790 - Universalists
1961 - Unitarian Universalist Association
1793 - German Reformed Church
1826 - Churches of God in North America
1869 - Reformed Church in the United States
1934 - Evangelical and Reformed Church
1957 - United Church of Christ
1801 - Christians/Churches of Christ
1832 - Christian Church/Disciples of Christ
1807 - Disciples of Christ
1832 - Christian Church/Disciples of Christ
1849 - Evangelical Synod of North America
1934 - Evangelical and Reformed Church
1957 - United Church of Christ

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Anglican Branch: Members of the Church of England, which was founded by Henry VIII and established as the national church of that country in 1534 by an act of Parliament. Henry decided to establish his own church because the Catholic Church would not allow him to divorce his wife and remarry. In his Bull "Apostolicae Curae" published Sept. 18 1896, Pope Leo XIII declared Anglican Order to be invalid.

The Anglicans, as they are commonly called, believe in justification by faith alone ; hold that the Bible is sufficient for salvation and that it is to be interpreted privately; deny the supremacy of the Pope and hold the King supreme in spiritual matters; deny the doctrine of Transubstantiation, purgatory, and condemn the Veneration of the Saints.

1787 - Protestant Episcopal Church
1861 - North Protestant Episcopal Church
1865 Protestant Episcopal Church
1873 - Reformed Episcopal Church
1861 - South Protestant Episcopal Church
1865 Protestant Episcopal Church
1873 - Reformed Episcopal Church

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Presbyterian Branch: A religious denomination that owes its formation to John Knox, who was born at Gifford, East Lothian, Scotland, in 1505. He was ordained to the priesthood in 1530. In 1542 he sided with Protestant movement, and thereafter, until his death at Edinburgh in 1572, was most active in attacking the Catholic Church.

1706 - Presbyterian Church
1741 - New Side Presbyterian Church
1758 - Presbyterian Church
1741 - Old Side Presbyterian Church
1758 - Presbyterian Church
1810 - Cumberland Presbyterian Church
1837 - New School
1870 - Presbyterian Church, U.S.A.
1937 - Orthodox Presbyterian Church
Bible Presbyterian Church
1956 - Bible Presbyterian Church
1965 - Reformed Presbyterian Church, Evangelical Synod
1982 - Presbyterian Church of America
1837 - Old School
1861 - Presbyterian Church, Confederate States
Presbyterian Church in the United States
1973 - Presbyterian Church of America
1983 - Presbyterian Church, USA
1870 - Presbyterian Church, U.S.A.
1937 - Orthodox Presbyterian Church
Bible Presbyterian Church
1956 - Bible Presbyterian Church
1965 - Reformed Presbyterian Church, Evangelical Synod
1982 - Presbyterian Church of America
1752 - Reformed Presbytery
1833 - Reformed Presbyterian Church of No. America (Covenanters)
Associate Presbyterian Church
1858 - United Presbyterian Church of No. America
1958 - United Presbyterian Church, USA
1983 - Presbyterian Church, USA
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
1822 - Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (Covenanters)
1958 - United Presbyterian Church, USA
1983 - Presbyterian Church, USA
1774 - Reformed Presbyterian Church in North America
1965 - Reformed Presbyterian Church, Evangelical Synod
1982 - Presbyterian Church of America

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Baptist Branch: Founded by John Smith, at one time pastor of a church at Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England, that had separated from the Church of England. About 1606, to escape persecution, he and his flock emigrated to Amsterdam. Smith died in 1612.

Taught only baptism of immersion t be valid; predestination; denied free-will; good works ;purgatory; the Sacraments, and the forgiveness of sin.

1639 - British Separatists
1672 - Seventh-Day Baptists
1727 - Free Will Baptists
1770 - Old Lights
1787 - General Association of Separatists Baptists
1814 - Baptist Missionary Convention
1827 - Primitive Baptists
1845 - Northern Baptist Convention
1932 - General Assoc. of Regular Baptist Churches
1947 - Conservative Baptist Assoc. of America
1950 - America Baptist Convention
1770 - New Lights
1780 - Free Will Baptists (North)
1827 - Primitive Baptists
1910 - Northern Baptist Convention
1814 - Baptist Missionary Convention
1845 - Southern Baptist Convention
1895 - National Baptist Convention of America
1915 - National Baptist Convention of the U.S.A., Inc.
1961 - Progressive Baptist Convention
1905 - American Baptist Association
1895 - Northern Baptist Convention of America
1932 - General Assoc. of Regular Baptist Churches
1947 - Conservative Baptist Association of America
1950 - American Baptist Convention

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Methodist: Founded by John Wesley, who was born at Epworth, Lincolnshire, England, June 17, 1703. He was ordained a clergyman of the Anglican Church in 1728, and in 1736, when he visited Savannah in Georgia, came into contact with Moravian doctrines. He organized the first Methodist Society in 1739. Shortly after he left the Anglican Communion and organized his own church.

The Methodist doctrine is borrowed from the Anglicans and Calvanists. They hold Scripture to be the sole and sufficient rule of belief and practice; teach justification by faith alone, although the practice of good works is commended; condemn works of supererogation; admit only two sacraments; condemn the invocation of the Saints and the veneration of sacred images and relics; and deny purgatory.

1784 - Methodist Episcopal Church
1816 - African Methodist Episcopal Church
1821 - African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
1830 - Methodist Protestant Church/Bible Protestant Church
1939 - Methodist Church
1946 - Evangelical Methodist Church
1968 - United Methodist Church
1843 - Wesleyan Methodist Church of America
1968 Wesleyan Church
1844 - Methodist Episcopal
1860 - Free Methodist Church
1908 - Church of the Nazarene
1939 - Methodist Church
1946 - Evangelical Methodist Church
1968 - United Methodist Church
1844 - Methodist Episcopal Church (South)
1870 - Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
1897 - Pilgrim Holiness Church
1968 - Wesleyan Church
1800 - Church of the United Brethren in Christ
1946 - Evangelical United Brethren Church
1807 - Evangelical Church
1946 - Evangelical United Brethren Church
1829 - Primitive Methodist Church
1886 - Church of God (Cleveland, TN)
1923 - Tomlinson Church of God
1943 - Church of God (Queens Village, NY)
1953 - Church of God of Prophecy
1957 - Church of God of All Nations
1886 - Church of God
1922 - Original Church of God, Inc.
1886 - United Holy Church of America, Inc.
1898 - Fire-Baptized Holiness Church
1953 - Emanuel Holiness Church
1911 - Pentecostal Holiness Church
1918 - Pentecostal Fire-Baptized Holiness Church
1899 - Pentecostal Holiness Church
1911 - Pentecostal Holiness Church
1901 - Pentecostal Union
1917 - Pillar of Fire
1914 - Assemblies of God, General Council
1914 - Church of God by Faith, Inc.
1914 - Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Inc.
1924 - Pentecostal Church, Inc.
1945 - United Pentecostal Church, Inc.
Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ, Inc.
1917 - Pentecostal Church of Christ
1918 - International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
1919 - Pentecostal Church of God of America, Inc.
1919 - International Pentecostal Assemblies
1919 - Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith, Inc.
1957 - Bible Way Church, World-Wide
1919 - Bible Standard, Inc.
1935 - Open Bible Standard Churches, Inc.
1932 - Open Bible Evangelistic Association
1935 - Open Bible Standard Churches, Inc.
1932 - Calvary Pentecostal Church, Inc.
1947 - Elim Missionary Assemblies


Catholic Apologetics - Joshua

[John17_3]

Hi this particular writing is just describing why Protestant sects are not the church of Christ, I mean no offence by offending protestant but I only speak the truth.

The reason I say this, is because The Church is the bride of Christ as we all know how can he marry all of these churches?... Lord Jesus prayed to his Father and asked that they ( the church ) may remain one like he is with the father, also many other passages say so...

I'll also like to draw to your attention, reasons why the Catholic Church cannot be the Lord's Church/body.
I'll also like to hear what your thoughts are about it.

One of the longest and most brutal wars in human history
The Thirty Years’ War was a 17th-century religious conflict fought primarily in central Europe. It remains one of the longest and most brutal wars in human history, with more than 8 million casualties resulting from military battles as well as from the famine and disease caused by the conflict. The war lasted from 1618 to 1648, starting as a battle among the Catholic and Protestant states that formed the Holy Roman Empire. However, as the Thirty Years’ War evolved, it became less about religion and more about which group would ultimately govern Europe. In the end, the conflict changed the geopolitical face of Europe and the role of religion and nation-states in society.

Causes of the Thirty Years’ War
With Emperor Ferdinand II’s ascension to head of state of the Holy Roman Empire in 1619, religious conflict began to foment.

One of Ferdinand II’s first actions was to force citizens of the empire to adhere to Roman Catholicism, even though religious freedom had been granted as part of the Peace of Augsburg.
...

The Lord Jesus Christ, prayed, "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world." John 17:16
Jesus said his kingdom is no part of this world, and his disciples were to be no part of the world. which would make one an adulterer, and God's enemy. James 4:4

Rather than live by the sword, Jesus said, his followers were to love one another, and love their neighbor.
The law of love is what identifies Jesus true followers. It is a Christian identity. John 13:34, 35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

In these two areas, the Roman Catholic Church has never succeeded, and to this day, they have failed.
Would you not agree that this is true, in that the Roman Catholic Church has shed blood of their neighbor, and brother, in "holy" wars, and continue to this day to be a part of this world, by being involved politically?

[Revelations won]

To all respondents,

With more than 21,000 differing denominations, is it not abundantly clear that this is the epitome of disunion? What happened to ONE LORD, ONE FAITH AND ONE BAPTISM?

Is this also a clear example of the result of making "private interpretations of the prophesies in scripture"?

[Capbook]

[Replying to Joshua in post #1]

I believe that Protestants are one and united in Sola Scriptura.

How can you say that when it has been demonstrated that Protestant churches are innumerable and undeniably not united? How could they be united when there are so many of them?

In interpretation Protestants are not united.
But in "Bible alone" as the source of all truth in righteousness., I believe Protestant are united.
But if you have other source treated as equal with Scriptures, then you are not one of the Sola Scriptura Protestants.

2 Tim 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

There are Protestant churches that say they honor only the Bible, but, like Catholics, they accept pagan teachings and preach them as the truth. Billy Graham's books are looked upon as being as important as the Bible to Protestants. His books teach pagan concepts and contradict the Bible. And there are various shades of Protestantism. There are those churches that teach speaking in tongues as necessary and those who don't teach speaking in tongues at all. Then there are those that allow speaking in tongues but don't preach it over the platform. Not united at all. There are those divisions of Protestantism that shun war and those who are active in war. Usually even if the religion shuns war, the members join the military anyway. (This goes against what Christ said in the Bible.) There is a great deal of non-unity in the Protestant churches.

So, Protestant churches do not rely on the Bible alone for truth, just like the Catholics. They go by tradition, and tradition goes way back to pagan sources, after the first century. The only difference between Protestants and Catholics is that Protestants don't recognize the Pope.

What I mean are those Protestants that are Sola Scriptura.
Can you prove that some equates their books as equal in authority with the Bible? Or just an accusations.

Aren't you familiar with the big honcho Billy Graham? Whatever he said was considered truth. If you aren't familiar with this huge personality in the Protestant world, you wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

Southern Baptist Statement of Beliefs where Billy Graham was a Minister states that Scripture is the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
That doesn't mean Billy Graham's word as equal with the Scriptures.

I. The Scriptures.
We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction; that it has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us, and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
https://www.sbcboston.org/our-beliefs

The point is that Billy Graham didn't go by the Scriptures. Also, the point is that his teachings were considered equal to the Bible, even though they didn't match the Bible in reality. Some Protestants didn't agree with Billy Graham. That addresses your point that Protestants all agree. My Father was a Methodist Protestant and he didn't give Billy Graham any credence. Graham was for war and my father could see from the Bible that Jesus spoke out against hating one's enemies, thus going to war against them. So---all Protestant are not in agreement.

Didn't Joshua show in the OP that there are dozens of Protestant sects? Doesn't that alone tell you that Protestants don't all agree?

Their Church belief in Sola Scriptura is proven by their no. 1 Statement of Beliefs, that proves my point.
But if you say Billy Graham goes beyond their beliefs, it is not the Church to blame.
May I know what are his teachings that you consider equal with the Bible?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Joshua in post #1]

I believe that Protestants are one and united in Sola Scriptura.

How can you say that when it has been demonstrated that Protestant churches are innumerable and undeniably not united? How could they be united when there are so many of them?

In interpretation Protestants are not united.
But in "Bible alone" as the source of all truth in righteousness., I believe Protestant are united.
But if you have other source treated as equal with Scriptures, then you are not one of the Sola Scriptura Protestants.

2 Tim 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

There are Protestant churches that say they honor only the Bible, but, like Catholics, they accept pagan teachings and preach them as the truth. Billy Graham's books are looked upon as being as important as the Bible to Protestants. His books teach pagan concepts and contradict the Bible. And there are various shades of Protestantism. There are those churches that teach speaking in tongues as necessary and those who don't teach speaking in tongues at all. Then there are those that allow speaking in tongues but don't preach it over the platform. Not united at all. There are those divisions of Protestantism that shun war and those who are active in war. Usually even if the religion shuns war, the members join the military anyway. (This goes against what Christ said in the Bible.) There is a great deal of non-unity in the Protestant churches.

So, Protestant churches do not rely on the Bible alone for truth, just like the Catholics. They go by tradition, and tradition goes way back to pagan sources, after the first century. The only difference between Protestants and Catholics is that Protestants don't recognize the Pope.

What I mean are those Protestants that are Sola Scriptura.
Can you prove that some equates their books as equal in authority with the Bible? Or just an accusations.

Aren't you familiar with the big honcho Billy Graham? Whatever he said was considered truth. If you aren't familiar with this huge personality in the Protestant world, you wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

Southern Baptist Statement of Beliefs where Billy Graham was a Minister states that Scripture is the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
That doesn't mean Billy Graham's word as equal with the Scriptures.

I. The Scriptures.
We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction; that it has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us, and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
https://www.sbcboston.org/our-beliefs

The point is that Billy Graham didn't go by the Scriptures. Also, the point is that his teachings were considered equal to the Bible, even though they didn't match the Bible in reality. Some Protestants didn't agree with Billy Graham. That addresses your point that Protestants all agree. My Father was a Methodist Protestant and he didn't give Billy Graham any credence. Graham was for war and my father could see from the Bible that Jesus spoke out against hating one's enemies, thus going to war against them. So---all Protestant are not in agreement.

Didn't Joshua show in the OP that there are dozens of Protestant sects? Doesn't that alone tell you that Protestants don't all agree?

Their Church belief in Sola Scriptura is proven by their no. 1 Statement of Beliefs, that proves my point.
But if you say Billy Graham goes beyond their beliefs, it is not the Church to blame.
May I know what are his teachings that you consider equal with the Bible?

You are not seeing the evidence in front of you that all Protestants do not agree. Many say they go by the Bible alone, but it doesn't take long to see for oneself that what they teach does not jive with the Bible.

Graham was right in saying that Jesus is the way to salvation. After that is where his teaching meanders away from the truth of the Bible. Protestants will all say they believe in a fiery hell of endless torture. Graham said once that he doesn't know if there is such a hell. He also said that there are people who will be saved that do not believe in Jesus. Graham was for war, yet Jesus preached against it saying that we must love our enemies. Such things as these show that Billy Graham was a politically minded individual, bent on being in cahoots with those in power. He didn't take a stand on anything, but straddled the fence, saying what anyone wanted to hear.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Joshua in post #1]

I believe that Protestants are one and united in Sola Scriptura.

How can you say that when it has been demonstrated that Protestant churches are innumerable and undeniably not united? How could they be united when there are so many of them?

In interpretation Protestants are not united.
But in "Bible alone" as the source of all truth in righteousness., I believe Protestant are united.
But if you have other source treated as equal with Scriptures, then you are not one of the Sola Scriptura Protestants.

2 Tim 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

There are Protestant churches that say they honor only the Bible, but, like Catholics, they accept pagan teachings and preach them as the truth. Billy Graham's books are looked upon as being as important as the Bible to Protestants. His books teach pagan concepts and contradict the Bible. And there are various shades of Protestantism. There are those churches that teach speaking in tongues as necessary and those who don't teach speaking in tongues at all. Then there are those that allow speaking in tongues but don't preach it over the platform. Not united at all. There are those divisions of Protestantism that shun war and those who are active in war. Usually even if the religion shuns war, the members join the military anyway. (This goes against what Christ said in the Bible.) There is a great deal of non-unity in the Protestant churches.

So, Protestant churches do not rely on the Bible alone for truth, just like the Catholics. They go by tradition, and tradition goes way back to pagan sources, after the first century. The only difference between Protestants and Catholics is that Protestants don't recognize the Pope.

What I mean are those Protestants that are Sola Scriptura.
Can you prove that some equates their books as equal in authority with the Bible? Or just an accusations.

Aren't you familiar with the big honcho Billy Graham? Whatever he said was considered truth. If you aren't familiar with this huge personality in the Protestant world, you wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

Southern Baptist Statement of Beliefs where Billy Graham was a Minister states that Scripture is the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
That doesn't mean Billy Graham's word as equal with the Scriptures.

I. The Scriptures.
We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction; that it has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us, and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
https://www.sbcboston.org/our-beliefs

The point is that Billy Graham didn't go by the Scriptures. Also, the point is that his teachings were considered equal to the Bible, even though they didn't match the Bible in reality. Some Protestants didn't agree with Billy Graham. That addresses your point that Protestants all agree. My Father was a Methodist Protestant and he didn't give Billy Graham any credence. Graham was for war and my father could see from the Bible that Jesus spoke out against hating one's enemies, thus going to war against them. So---all Protestant are not in agreement.

Didn't Joshua show in the OP that there are dozens of Protestant sects? Doesn't that alone tell you that Protestants don't all agree?

Their Church belief in Sola Scriptura is proven by their no. 1 Statement of Beliefs, that proves my point.
But if you say Billy Graham goes beyond their beliefs, it is not the Church to blame.
May I know what are his teachings that you consider equal with the Bible?

You are not seeing the evidence in front of you that all Protestants do not agree. Many say they go by the Bible alone, but it doesn't take long to see for oneself that what they teach does not jive with the Bible.

Graham was right in saying that Jesus is the way to salvation. After that is where his teaching meanders away from the truth of the Bible. Protestants will all say they believe in a fiery hell of endless torture. Graham said once that he doesn't know if there is such a hell. He also said that there are people who will be saved that do not believe in Jesus. Graham was for war, yet Jesus preached against it saying that we must love our enemies. Such things as these show that Billy Graham was a politically minded individual, bent on being in cahoots with those in power. He didn't take a stand on anything, but straddled the fence, saying what anyone wanted to hear.

Billy Graham's Church based their belief in the Bible above all. As stated "The supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried".

We are Bible based. This is my point.
Bible interpretation, this is not my point.

[onewithhim]

How can you say that when it has been demonstrated that Protestant churches are innumerable and undeniably not united? How could they be united when there are so many of them?

In interpretation Protestants are not united.
But in "Bible alone" as the source of all truth in righteousness., I believe Protestant are united.
But if you have other source treated as equal with Scriptures, then you are not one of the Sola Scriptura Protestants.

2 Tim 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

There are Protestant churches that say they honor only the Bible, but, like Catholics, they accept pagan teachings and preach them as the truth. Billy Graham's books are looked upon as being as important as the Bible to Protestants. His books teach pagan concepts and contradict the Bible. And there are various shades of Protestantism. There are those churches that teach speaking in tongues as necessary and those who don't teach speaking in tongues at all. Then there are those that allow speaking in tongues but don't preach it over the platform. Not united at all. There are those divisions of Protestantism that shun war and those who are active in war. Usually even if the religion shuns war, the members join the military anyway. (This goes against what Christ said in the Bible.) There is a great deal of non-unity in the Protestant churches.

So, Protestant churches do not rely on the Bible alone for truth, just like the Catholics. They go by tradition, and tradition goes way back to pagan sources, after the first century. The only difference between Protestants and Catholics is that Protestants don't recognize the Pope.

What I mean are those Protestants that are Sola Scriptura.
Can you prove that some equates their books as equal in authority with the Bible? Or just an accusations.

Aren't you familiar with the big honcho Billy Graham? Whatever he said was considered truth. If you aren't familiar with this huge personality in the Protestant world, you wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

Southern Baptist Statement of Beliefs where Billy Graham was a Minister states that Scripture is the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
That doesn't mean Billy Graham's word as equal with the Scriptures.

I. The Scriptures.
We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction; that it has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us, and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
https://www.sbcboston.org/our-beliefs

The point is that Billy Graham didn't go by the Scriptures. Also, the point is that his teachings were considered equal to the Bible, even though they didn't match the Bible in reality. Some Protestants didn't agree with Billy Graham. That addresses your point that Protestants all agree. My Father was a Methodist Protestant and he didn't give Billy Graham any credence. Graham was for war and my father could see from the Bible that Jesus spoke out against hating one's enemies, thus going to war against them. So---all Protestant are not in agreement.

Didn't Joshua show in the OP that there are dozens of Protestant sects? Doesn't that alone tell you that Protestants don't all agree?

Their Church belief in Sola Scriptura is proven by their no. 1 Statement of Beliefs, that proves my point.
But if you say Billy Graham goes beyond their beliefs, it is not the Church to blame.
May I know what are his teachings that you consider equal with the Bible?

You are not seeing the evidence in front of you that all Protestants do not agree. Many say they go by the Bible alone, but it doesn't take long to see for oneself that what they teach does not jive with the Bible.

Graham was right in saying that Jesus is the way to salvation. After that is where his teaching meanders away from the truth of the Bible. Protestants will all say they believe in a fiery hell of endless torture. Graham said once that he doesn't know if there is such a hell. He also said that there are people who will be saved that do not believe in Jesus. Graham was for war, yet Jesus preached against it saying that we must love our enemies. Such things as these show that Billy Graham was a politically minded individual, bent on being in cahoots with those in power. He didn't take a stand on anything, but straddled the fence, saying what anyone wanted to hear.

Billy Graham's Church based their belief in the Bible above all. As stated "The supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried".

We are Bible based. This is my point.
Bible interpretation, this is not my point.

Then perhaps you can explain what that popular Protestant preacher Billy Graham meant when he said that he wasn't sure there was a hell-fire, nor did he think that only Christians would go to heaven (he thought non-Christians could go also). And why did he go against what the Bible also said about killing ones fellow man? Can you explain?

[Capbook]

In interpretation Protestants are not united.
But in "Bible alone" as the source of all truth in righteousness., I believe Protestant are united.
But if you have other source treated as equal with Scriptures, then you are not one of the Sola Scriptura Protestants.

2 Tim 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

There are Protestant churches that say they honor only the Bible, but, like Catholics, they accept pagan teachings and preach them as the truth. Billy Graham's books are looked upon as being as important as the Bible to Protestants. His books teach pagan concepts and contradict the Bible. And there are various shades of Protestantism. There are those churches that teach speaking in tongues as necessary and those who don't teach speaking in tongues at all. Then there are those that allow speaking in tongues but don't preach it over the platform. Not united at all. There are those divisions of Protestantism that shun war and those who are active in war. Usually even if the religion shuns war, the members join the military anyway. (This goes against what Christ said in the Bible.) There is a great deal of non-unity in the Protestant churches.

So, Protestant churches do not rely on the Bible alone for truth, just like the Catholics. They go by tradition, and tradition goes way back to pagan sources, after the first century. The only difference between Protestants and Catholics is that Protestants don't recognize the Pope.

What I mean are those Protestants that are Sola Scriptura.
Can you prove that some equates their books as equal in authority with the Bible? Or just an accusations.

Aren't you familiar with the big honcho Billy Graham? Whatever he said was considered truth. If you aren't familiar with this huge personality in the Protestant world, you wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

Southern Baptist Statement of Beliefs where Billy Graham was a Minister states that Scripture is the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
That doesn't mean Billy Graham's word as equal with the Scriptures.

I. The Scriptures.
We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction; that it has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us, and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
https://www.sbcboston.org/our-beliefs

The point is that Billy Graham didn't go by the Scriptures. Also, the point is that his teachings were considered equal to the Bible, even though they didn't match the Bible in reality. Some Protestants didn't agree with Billy Graham. That addresses your point that Protestants all agree. My Father was a Methodist Protestant and he didn't give Billy Graham any credence. Graham was for war and my father could see from the Bible that Jesus spoke out against hating one's enemies, thus going to war against them. So---all Protestant are not in agreement.

Didn't Joshua show in the OP that there are dozens of Protestant sects? Doesn't that alone tell you that Protestants don't all agree?

Their Church belief in Sola Scriptura is proven by their no. 1 Statement of Beliefs, that proves my point.
But if you say Billy Graham goes beyond their beliefs, it is not the Church to blame.
May I know what are his teachings that you consider equal with the Bible?

You are not seeing the evidence in front of you that all Protestants do not agree. Many say they go by the Bible alone, but it doesn't take long to see for oneself that what they teach does not jive with the Bible.

Graham was right in saying that Jesus is the way to salvation. After that is where his teaching meanders away from the truth of the Bible. Protestants will all say they believe in a fiery hell of endless torture. Graham said once that he doesn't know if there is such a hell. He also said that there are people who will be saved that do not believe in Jesus. Graham was for war, yet Jesus preached against it saying that we must love our enemies. Such things as these show that Billy Graham was a politically minded individual, bent on being in cahoots with those in power. He didn't take a stand on anything, but straddled the fence, saying what anyone wanted to hear.

Billy Graham's Church based their belief in the Bible above all. As stated "The supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried".

We are Bible based. This is my point.
Bible interpretation, this is not my point.

Then perhaps you can explain what that popular Protestant preacher Billy Graham meant when he said that he wasn't sure there was a hell-fire, nor did he think that only Christians would go to heaven (he thought non-Christians could go also). And why did he go against what the Bible also said about killing ones fellow man? Can you explain?

Well, as I've said, that is his interpretation of the Bible verses. But that is not my point of this thread which says, "Re: Is There Unity in The Protestantism Sects?"
My point is, Protestants are united in "Bible alone" as basis of our beliefs.
But mine, yours and Billy Graham's interpretations, I believe we are not united, and this is not my point as an answer to the thread.

[onewithhim]

There are Protestant churches that say they honor only the Bible, but, like Catholics, they accept pagan teachings and preach them as the truth. Billy Graham's books are looked upon as being as important as the Bible to Protestants. His books teach pagan concepts and contradict the Bible. And there are various shades of Protestantism. There are those churches that teach speaking in tongues as necessary and those who don't teach speaking in tongues at all. Then there are those that allow speaking in tongues but don't preach it over the platform. Not united at all. There are those divisions of Protestantism that shun war and those who are active in war. Usually even if the religion shuns war, the members join the military anyway. (This goes against what Christ said in the Bible.) There is a great deal of non-unity in the Protestant churches.

So, Protestant churches do not rely on the Bible alone for truth, just like the Catholics. They go by tradition, and tradition goes way back to pagan sources, after the first century. The only difference between Protestants and Catholics is that Protestants don't recognize the Pope.

What I mean are those Protestants that are Sola Scriptura.
Can you prove that some equates their books as equal in authority with the Bible? Or just an accusations.

Aren't you familiar with the big honcho Billy Graham? Whatever he said was considered truth. If you aren't familiar with this huge personality in the Protestant world, you wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

Southern Baptist Statement of Beliefs where Billy Graham was a Minister states that Scripture is the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
That doesn't mean Billy Graham's word as equal with the Scriptures.

I. The Scriptures.
We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction; that it has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us, and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
https://www.sbcboston.org/our-beliefs

The point is that Billy Graham didn't go by the Scriptures. Also, the point is that his teachings were considered equal to the Bible, even though they didn't match the Bible in reality. Some Protestants didn't agree with Billy Graham. That addresses your point that Protestants all agree. My Father was a Methodist Protestant and he didn't give Billy Graham any credence. Graham was for war and my father could see from the Bible that Jesus spoke out against hating one's enemies, thus going to war against them. So---all Protestant are not in agreement.

Didn't Joshua show in the OP that there are dozens of Protestant sects? Doesn't that alone tell you that Protestants don't all agree?

Their Church belief in Sola Scriptura is proven by their no. 1 Statement of Beliefs, that proves my point.
But if you say Billy Graham goes beyond their beliefs, it is not the Church to blame.
May I know what are his teachings that you consider equal with the Bible?

You are not seeing the evidence in front of you that all Protestants do not agree. Many say they go by the Bible alone, but it doesn't take long to see for oneself that what they teach does not jive with the Bible.

Graham was right in saying that Jesus is the way to salvation. After that is where his teaching meanders away from the truth of the Bible. Protestants will all say they believe in a fiery hell of endless torture. Graham said once that he doesn't know if there is such a hell. He also said that there are people who will be saved that do not believe in Jesus. Graham was for war, yet Jesus preached against it saying that we must love our enemies. Such things as these show that Billy Graham was a politically minded individual, bent on being in cahoots with those in power. He didn't take a stand on anything, but straddled the fence, saying what anyone wanted to hear.

Billy Graham's Church based their belief in the Bible above all. As stated "The supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried".

We are Bible based. This is my point.
Bible interpretation, this is not my point.

Then perhaps you can explain what that popular Protestant preacher Billy Graham meant when he said that he wasn't sure there was a hell-fire, nor did he think that only Christians would go to heaven (he thought non-Christians could go also). And why did he go against what the Bible also said about killing ones fellow man? Can you explain?

Well, as I've said, that is his interpretation of the Bible verses. But that is not my point of this thread which says, "Re: Is There Unity in The Protestantism Sects?"
My point is, Protestants are united in "Bible alone" as basis of our beliefs.
But mine, yours and Billy Graham's interpretations, I believe we are not united, and this is not my point as an answer to the thread.

Neither are Protestants united and one example is that of Mr. Graham. He says that he doesn't know if there is a fiery hell, and yet most Protestants believe that there is. There is a division right there. He spoke for all Protestants and yet they all would not agree with him. He said that a person doesn't have to believe in Christ to get to heaven. Most Protestants would not agree with that. So there is division in the Protestant churches.

[Capbook]

What I mean are those Protestants that are Sola Scriptura.
Can you prove that some equates their books as equal in authority with the Bible? Or just an accusations.

Aren't you familiar with the big honcho Billy Graham? Whatever he said was considered truth. If you aren't familiar with this huge personality in the Protestant world, you wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

Southern Baptist Statement of Beliefs where Billy Graham was a Minister states that Scripture is the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
That doesn't mean Billy Graham's word as equal with the Scriptures.

I. The Scriptures.
We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction; that it has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us, and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
https://www.sbcboston.org/our-beliefs

The point is that Billy Graham didn't go by the Scriptures. Also, the point is that his teachings were considered equal to the Bible, even though they didn't match the Bible in reality. Some Protestants didn't agree with Billy Graham. That addresses your point that Protestants all agree. My Father was a Methodist Protestant and he didn't give Billy Graham any credence. Graham was for war and my father could see from the Bible that Jesus spoke out against hating one's enemies, thus going to war against them. So---all Protestant are not in agreement.

Didn't Joshua show in the OP that there are dozens of Protestant sects? Doesn't that alone tell you that Protestants don't all agree?

Their Church belief in Sola Scriptura is proven by their no. 1 Statement of Beliefs, that proves my point.
But if you say Billy Graham goes beyond their beliefs, it is not the Church to blame.
May I know what are his teachings that you consider equal with the Bible?

You are not seeing the evidence in front of you that all Protestants do not agree. Many say they go by the Bible alone, but it doesn't take long to see for oneself that what they teach does not jive with the Bible.

Graham was right in saying that Jesus is the way to salvation. After that is where his teaching meanders away from the truth of the Bible. Protestants will all say they believe in a fiery hell of endless torture. Graham said once that he doesn't know if there is such a hell. He also said that there are people who will be saved that do not believe in Jesus. Graham was for war, yet Jesus preached against it saying that we must love our enemies. Such things as these show that Billy Graham was a politically minded individual, bent on being in cahoots with those in power. He didn't take a stand on anything, but straddled the fence, saying what anyone wanted to hear.

Billy Graham's Church based their belief in the Bible above all. As stated "The supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried".

We are Bible based. This is my point.
Bible interpretation, this is not my point.

Then perhaps you can explain what that popular Protestant preacher Billy Graham meant when he said that he wasn't sure there was a hell-fire, nor did he think that only Christians would go to heaven (he thought non-Christians could go also). And why did he go against what the Bible also said about killing ones fellow man? Can you explain?

Well, as I've said, that is his interpretation of the Bible verses. But that is not my point of this thread which says, "Re: Is There Unity in The Protestantism Sects?"
My point is, Protestants are united in "Bible alone" as basis of our beliefs.
But mine, yours and Billy Graham's interpretations, I believe we are not united, and this is not my point as an answer to the thread.

Neither are Protestants united and one example is that of Mr. Graham. He says that he doesn't know if there is a fiery hell, and yet most Protestants believe that there is. There is a division right there. He spoke for all Protestants and yet they all would not agree with him. He said that a person doesn't have to believe in Christ to get to heaven. Most Protestants would not agree with that. So there is division in the Protestant churches.

Do late Billy Graham based his interpretation in the Quran?

[onewithhim]

Aren't you familiar with the big honcho Billy Graham? Whatever he said was considered truth. If you aren't familiar with this huge personality in the Protestant world, you wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

Southern Baptist Statement of Beliefs where Billy Graham was a Minister states that Scripture is the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
That doesn't mean Billy Graham's word as equal with the Scriptures.

I. The Scriptures.
We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction; that it has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us, and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried.
https://www.sbcboston.org/our-beliefs

The point is that Billy Graham didn't go by the Scriptures. Also, the point is that his teachings were considered equal to the Bible, even though they didn't match the Bible in reality. Some Protestants didn't agree with Billy Graham. That addresses your point that Protestants all agree. My Father was a Methodist Protestant and he didn't give Billy Graham any credence. Graham was for war and my father could see from the Bible that Jesus spoke out against hating one's enemies, thus going to war against them. So---all Protestant are not in agreement.

Didn't Joshua show in the OP that there are dozens of Protestant sects? Doesn't that alone tell you that Protestants don't all agree?

Their Church belief in Sola Scriptura is proven by their no. 1 Statement of Beliefs, that proves my point.
But if you say Billy Graham goes beyond their beliefs, it is not the Church to blame.
May I know what are his teachings that you consider equal with the Bible?

You are not seeing the evidence in front of you that all Protestants do not agree. Many say they go by the Bible alone, but it doesn't take long to see for oneself that what they teach does not jive with the Bible.

Graham was right in saying that Jesus is the way to salvation. After that is where his teaching meanders away from the truth of the Bible. Protestants will all say they believe in a fiery hell of endless torture. Graham said once that he doesn't know if there is such a hell. He also said that there are people who will be saved that do not believe in Jesus. Graham was for war, yet Jesus preached against it saying that we must love our enemies. Such things as these show that Billy Graham was a politically minded individual, bent on being in cahoots with those in power. He didn't take a stand on anything, but straddled the fence, saying what anyone wanted to hear.

Billy Graham's Church based their belief in the Bible above all. As stated "The supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions shall be tried".

We are Bible based. This is my point.
Bible interpretation, this is not my point.

Then perhaps you can explain what that popular Protestant preacher Billy Graham meant when he said that he wasn't sure there was a hell-fire, nor did he think that only Christians would go to heaven (he thought non-Christians could go also). And why did he go against what the Bible also said about killing ones fellow man? Can you explain?

Well, as I've said, that is his interpretation of the Bible verses. But that is not my point of this thread which says, "Re: Is There Unity in The Protestantism Sects?"
My point is, Protestants are united in "Bible alone" as basis of our beliefs.
But mine, yours and Billy Graham's interpretations, I believe we are not united, and this is not my point as an answer to the thread.

Neither are Protestants united and one example is that of Mr. Graham. He says that he doesn't know if there is a fiery hell, and yet most Protestants believe that there is. There is a division right there. He spoke for all Protestants and yet they all would not agree with him. He said that a person doesn't have to believe in Christ to get to heaven. Most Protestants would not agree with that. So there is division in the Protestant churches.

Do late Billy Graham based his interpretation in the Quran?

No, he said he based his interpretations on the Bible, but he really was convinced of the Roman Church's traditions of pagan precepts. He couldn't distinguish the pagan teachings from what the Bible really said. And he added his own interpretations. No Protestant would say that you didn't have to believe in Jesus to go to heaven. They would also call him on the idea that he wasn't sure if there was a fiery hell.