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God writes the names. Eddie proved it.
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Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:47 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:41 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:38 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:33 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:23 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:36 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:13 pm
I agree. It is the Father (God) that writes the names. (See Revelation 4:2.)
I do agree that God writes the names, but is this the verse below you are referring?

Rev 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
KJV
Yes
Where does it say that God writes the names?
Do you not remember that you agreed that God writes the names?
That is Jesus' (God) book of life. If you own the book or notebook who probably would write on them?

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
"Probably"?? You are guessing again.
You missed to answer this question below.
Who judge man by writing his name in the Book of Life?
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:47 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:41 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:38 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:33 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:23 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:36 am

I do agree that God writes the names, but is this the verse below you are referring?

Rev 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
KJV
Yes
Where does it say that God writes the names?
Do you not remember that you agreed that God writes the names?
That is Jesus' (God) book of life. If you own the book or notebook who probably would write on them?

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
"Probably"?? You are guessing again.
You missed to answer this question below.
Who judge man by writing his name in the Book of Life?
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?

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Re: Book Of Life ( Who Writes The Names)

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:36 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:47 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:41 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:38 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:33 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:23 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:48 pm
Yes
Where does it say that God writes the names?
Do you not remember that you agreed that God writes the names?
That is Jesus' (God) book of life. If you own the book or notebook who probably would write on them?

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
"Probably"?? You are guessing again.
You missed to answer this question below.
Who judge man by writing his name in the Book of Life?
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?
That is correct, Jesus and his Father agree and are one in purpose. Jesus' and the Father's wills are not the same. Jesus did not want to bring disgrace on Jehovah's name by dying as a seditionist, but Jehovah let it happen. Jesus said that their wills were not the same: "'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39b)

He said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30)

It is obvious that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. When it comes to who has the last word, it is the Father. He is superior to the Son, and His will is carried out, even though the Son objects. Therefore Jesus is not equal to the Father, and he is not God.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:36 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:47 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:41 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:38 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:33 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:23 pm

Where does it say that God writes the names?
Do you not remember that you agreed that God writes the names?
That is Jesus' (God) book of life. If you own the book or notebook who probably would write on them?

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
"Probably"?? You are guessing again.
You missed to answer this question below.
Who judge man by writing his name in the Book of Life?
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?
That is correct, Jesus and his Father agree and are one in purpose. Jesus' and the Father's wills are not the same. Jesus did not want to bring disgrace on Jehovah's name by dying as a seditionist, but Jehovah let it happen. Jesus said that their wills were not the same: "'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39b)

He said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30)

It is obvious that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. When it comes to who has the last word, it is the Father. He is superior to the Son, and His will is carried out, even though the Son objects. Therefore Jesus is not equal to the Father, and he is not God.
Did Jesus did not drink the cup?
Did Jesus pursue His own will?
Yes the Father is higher in position, role, rank, etc than Jesus, but that does not mean that Jesus is not God. .
They are one and the same in the state of being God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son, you have higher position, role, rank and etc in your family but that does not mean that you are more human than you son. You and your son are one and the same in the state of humanity.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:04 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:36 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:47 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:41 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:38 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:33 pm
Do you not remember that you agreed that God writes the names?
That is Jesus' (God) book of life. If you own the book or notebook who probably would write on them?

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
"Probably"?? You are guessing again.
You missed to answer this question below.
Who judge man by writing his name in the Book of Life?
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?
That is correct, Jesus and his Father agree and are one in purpose. Jesus' and the Father's wills are not the same. Jesus did not want to bring disgrace on Jehovah's name by dying as a seditionist, but Jehovah let it happen. Jesus said that their wills were not the same: "'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39b)

He said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30)

It is obvious that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. When it comes to who has the last word, it is the Father. He is superior to the Son, and His will is carried out, even though the Son objects. Therefore Jesus is not equal to the Father, and he is not God.
Did Jesus did not drink the cup?
Did Jesus pursue His own will?
Yes the Father is higher in position, role, rank, etc than Jesus, but that does not mean that Jesus is not God. .
They are one and the same in the state of being God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son, you have higher position, role, rank and etc in your family but that does not mean that you are more human than you son. You and your son are one and the same in the state of humanity.
Jesus drank the cup. He did not pursue his own will. No, my son and I are not the same. I am his mother and he could never have the position that I have as his mother. We are the same as human beings, the fact that we are flesh and blood. Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same. The Father is always the head of everything, including Jesus Christ. "...The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinth. 11:3)

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Re: Book Of Life ( Who Writes The Names)

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:03 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:04 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:36 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:47 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:41 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:38 am

That is Jesus' (God) book of life. If you own the book or notebook who probably would write on them?

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
"Probably"?? You are guessing again.
You missed to answer this question below.
Who judge man by writing his name in the Book of Life?
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?
That is correct, Jesus and his Father agree and are one in purpose. Jesus' and the Father's wills are not the same. Jesus did not want to bring disgrace on Jehovah's name by dying as a seditionist, but Jehovah let it happen. Jesus said that their wills were not the same: "'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39b)

He said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30)

It is obvious that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. When it comes to who has the last word, it is the Father. He is superior to the Son, and His will is carried out, even though the Son objects. Therefore Jesus is not equal to the Father, and he is not God.
Did Jesus did not drink the cup?
Did Jesus pursue His own will?
Yes the Father is higher in position, role, rank, etc than Jesus, but that does not mean that Jesus is not God. .
They are one and the same in the state of being God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son, you have higher position, role, rank and etc in your family but that does not mean that you are more human than you son. You and your son are one and the same in the state of humanity.
Jesus drank the cup. He did not pursue his own will. No, my son and I are not the same. I am his mother and he could never have the position that I have as his mother. We are the same as human beings, the fact that we are flesh and blood. Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same. The Father is always the head of everything, including Jesus Christ. "...The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinth. 11:3)
Yes, the Father is the head and higher position than Jesus but they are one in the state of being God. That is why Jesus is being called Son of God.
Same with you and your son, one and the same in the state of humanity.
And you son can be called son of man/woman or human.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:03 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:04 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:36 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:47 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:41 am
"Probably"?? You are guessing again.
You missed to answer this question below.
Who judge man by writing his name in the Book of Life?
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?
That is correct, Jesus and his Father agree and are one in purpose. Jesus' and the Father's wills are not the same. Jesus did not want to bring disgrace on Jehovah's name by dying as a seditionist, but Jehovah let it happen. Jesus said that their wills were not the same: "'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39b)

He said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30)

It is obvious that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. When it comes to who has the last word, it is the Father. He is superior to the Son, and His will is carried out, even though the Son objects. Therefore Jesus is not equal to the Father, and he is not God.
Did Jesus did not drink the cup?
Did Jesus pursue His own will?
Yes the Father is higher in position, role, rank, etc than Jesus, but that does not mean that Jesus is not God. .
They are one and the same in the state of being God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son, you have higher position, role, rank and etc in your family but that does not mean that you are more human than you son. You and your son are one and the same in the state of humanity.
Jesus drank the cup. He did not pursue his own will. No, my son and I are not the same. I am his mother and he could never have the position that I have as his mother. We are the same as human beings, the fact that we are flesh and blood. Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same. The Father is always the head of everything, including Jesus Christ. "...The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinth. 11:3)
Yes, the Father is the head and higher position than Jesus but they are one in the state of being God. That is why Jesus is being called Son of God.
Same with you and your son, one and the same in the state of humanity.
And you son can be called son of man/woman or human.
If the Father is the head of Christ and higher in position, that clearly shows that Christ is not God. He is the Son of God. Why do you insist that God is also His Son? Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same, just as my son and I are both flesh and blood but that is the only way he and I are the same.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:03 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:04 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:36 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:47 am

You missed to answer this question below.
Who judge man by writing his name in the Book of Life?
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?
That is correct, Jesus and his Father agree and are one in purpose. Jesus' and the Father's wills are not the same. Jesus did not want to bring disgrace on Jehovah's name by dying as a seditionist, but Jehovah let it happen. Jesus said that their wills were not the same: "'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39b)

He said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30)

It is obvious that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. When it comes to who has the last word, it is the Father. He is superior to the Son, and His will is carried out, even though the Son objects. Therefore Jesus is not equal to the Father, and he is not God.
Did Jesus did not drink the cup?
Did Jesus pursue His own will?
Yes the Father is higher in position, role, rank, etc than Jesus, but that does not mean that Jesus is not God. .
They are one and the same in the state of being God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son, you have higher position, role, rank and etc in your family but that does not mean that you are more human than you son. You and your son are one and the same in the state of humanity.
Jesus drank the cup. He did not pursue his own will. No, my son and I are not the same. I am his mother and he could never have the position that I have as his mother. We are the same as human beings, the fact that we are flesh and blood. Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same. The Father is always the head of everything, including Jesus Christ. "...The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinth. 11:3)
Yes, the Father is the head and higher position than Jesus but they are one in the state of being God. That is why Jesus is being called Son of God.
Same with you and your son, one and the same in the state of humanity.
And you son can be called son of man/woman or human.
If the Father is the head of Christ and higher in position, that clearly shows that Christ is not God. He is the Son of God. Why do you insist that God is also His Son? Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same, just as my son and I are both flesh and blood but that is the only way he and I are the same.
No, I do not mean that the Father is also the Son. They are different person one in the state of being God.
What do you mean that Jesus and the Father are both spirit Persons? Is Jesus also a spirit to you?
What I bring more emphasis here is;
We are one and the same in the state of being human.
And the Father and Jesus are one and the same in the state of being God.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:10 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:37 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:03 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:04 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:36 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:51 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:46 pm
The Bible isn't clear about that. What does it matter?
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge man. Also, it doesn't say who wrote in the book.
To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?
That is correct, Jesus and his Father agree and are one in purpose. Jesus' and the Father's wills are not the same. Jesus did not want to bring disgrace on Jehovah's name by dying as a seditionist, but Jehovah let it happen. Jesus said that their wills were not the same: "'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39b)

He said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30)

It is obvious that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. When it comes to who has the last word, it is the Father. He is superior to the Son, and His will is carried out, even though the Son objects. Therefore Jesus is not equal to the Father, and he is not God.
Did Jesus did not drink the cup?
Did Jesus pursue His own will?
Yes the Father is higher in position, role, rank, etc than Jesus, but that does not mean that Jesus is not God. .
They are one and the same in the state of being God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son, you have higher position, role, rank and etc in your family but that does not mean that you are more human than you son. You and your son are one and the same in the state of humanity.
Jesus drank the cup. He did not pursue his own will. No, my son and I are not the same. I am his mother and he could never have the position that I have as his mother. We are the same as human beings, the fact that we are flesh and blood. Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same. The Father is always the head of everything, including Jesus Christ. "...The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinth. 11:3)
Yes, the Father is the head and higher position than Jesus but they are one in the state of being God. That is why Jesus is being called Son of God.
Same with you and your son, one and the same in the state of humanity.
And you son can be called son of man/woman or human.
If the Father is the head of Christ and higher in position, that clearly shows that Christ is not God. He is the Son of God. Why do you insist that God is also His Son? Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same, just as my son and I are both flesh and blood but that is the only way he and I are the same.
No, I do not mean that the Father is also the Son. They are different person one in the state of being God.
What do you mean that Jesus and the Father are both spirit Persons? Is Jesus also a spirit to you?
What I bring more emphasis here is;
We are one and the same in the state of being human.
And the Father and Jesus are one and the same in the state of being God.
No....rather in the state of being spirits. God is a spirit (John 4:24) and Jesus returned to heaven with a spirit body just like his Father and the angels. He dwells in unapproachable light in heaven, that no man has seen nor can see. (I Timothy 6:16)

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Re: Book Of Life ( Who Writes The Names)

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To us it doesn't matter, whether it is the Father or Jesus who writes.
The Father and Jesus to us is one in the state of being God.
They aren't literally "one." They are one in agreement. The Son agrees with everything the Father says and does.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)
They are one in the state of being God.(John 1:1)(Col 2:9) Jesus follows and agrees with the Father as they are one and united in purpose and will, the salvation of man.
Though we are not of the san\me will.
Are we not of the same state in humanity?
That is correct, Jesus and his Father agree and are one in purpose. Jesus' and the Father's wills are not the same. Jesus did not want to bring disgrace on Jehovah's name by dying as a seditionist, but Jehovah let it happen. Jesus said that their wills were not the same: "'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39b)

He said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30)

It is obvious that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. When it comes to who has the last word, it is the Father. He is superior to the Son, and His will is carried out, even though the Son objects. Therefore Jesus is not equal to the Father, and he is not God.
Did Jesus did not drink the cup?
Did Jesus pursue His own will?
Yes the Father is higher in position, role, rank, etc than Jesus, but that does not mean that Jesus is not God. .
They are one and the same in the state of being God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son, you have higher position, role, rank and etc in your family but that does not mean that you are more human than you son. You and your son are one and the same in the state of humanity.
Jesus drank the cup. He did not pursue his own will. No, my son and I are not the same. I am his mother and he could never have the position that I have as his mother. We are the same as human beings, the fact that we are flesh and blood. Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same. The Father is always the head of everything, including Jesus Christ. "...The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinth. 11:3)
Yes, the Father is the head and higher position than Jesus but they are one in the state of being God. That is why Jesus is being called Son of God.
Same with you and your son, one and the same in the state of humanity.
And you son can be called son of man/woman or human.
If the Father is the head of Christ and higher in position, that clearly shows that Christ is not God. He is the Son of God. Why do you insist that God is also His Son? Jesus and his Father are both spirit Persons but that is the only way they are the same, just as my son and I are both flesh and blood but that is the only way he and I are the same.
No, I do not mean that the Father is also the Son. They are different person one in the state of being God.
What do you mean that Jesus and the Father are both spirit Persons? Is Jesus also a spirit to you?
What I bring more emphasis here is;
We are one and the same in the state of being human.
And the Father and Jesus are one and the same in the state of being God.
No....rather in the state of being spirits. God is a spirit (John 4:24) and Jesus returned to heaven with a spirit body just like his Father and the angels. He dwells in unapproachable light in heaven, that no man has seen nor can see. (I Timothy 6:16)
I'm a little confuse of your explanation, may I do the logic;
1. God is spirit, right?
2. The father and Jesus are the same in the state of being spirit. Right?
3. As God is spirit,
3. Therefore they are the same in the state of being God as God is spirit.

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