Matthew 12:40

[rstrats]

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion� with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x� days and “x�nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didn’t include at least parts of the “x� days and at least parts of the “x� nights?

[rstrats]

The sign of Jonah refers to the 3 day overcoming/victory.

That's an issue for a different topic.

[Capbook]

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion� with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x� days and “x�nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didn’t include at least parts of the “x� days and at least parts of the “x� nights?

Yes, this is what they call inclusive reckoning.
Today - refer to first day
tomorrow - as second day
next day - is third day.

Luk 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

[rstrats]

[Replying to Capbook in post #232]

I don't see where your comment says anything about daytimes or night times.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #232]

I don't see where your comment says anything about daytimes or night times.

Base on inclusive reckoning (any part of the day counted as whole day) in Luke 13:32, and in Lev 23:32 a day start at sunset and end next sunset, that is 24 hours.
The counting in Luke 13;
Today - 24 hrs
Tomorrow - 24 hrs
next day - third day 24 hrs.

[rstrats]

[Replying to Capbook in post #234]

OK, apparently I haven't been clear.

The OP was poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic. Unfortunately, it couldn't be edited sometime later after it was posted. However, It has been clarified in a number of subsequent posts. Again, the topic request is for examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time, could occur.

So, to repeat:

1. The Messiah said that three nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. However, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the discrepancy, some of the above may say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.

6. In order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.

This is directed to anyone to whom the above might apply, that knows of examples to support the idea of commonality

[rstrats]

Someone new looking in my know of examples.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #234]

OK, apparently I haven't been clear.

The OP was poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic. Unfortunately, it couldn't be edited sometime later after it was posted. However, It has been clarified in a number of subsequent posts. Again, the topic request is for examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time, could occur.

So, to repeat:

1. The Messiah said that three nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. However, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the discrepancy, some of the above may say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.

6. In order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.

This is directed to anyone to whom the above might apply, that knows of examples to support the idea of commonality

Scriptures "day" start from sunset to sunset. (Lev 23:32)
When Jesus drink the cup (Mat 26:42), Jesus separation from God's protection as He would endure all the sacrifices and even death.
That happens Friday night (Scriptures' reckoning) To us, it was Thursday. (First night)
Friday morning Jesus bearing the cross. (First day)
After sunset Saturday Jesus at tomb. (Second night)
Saturday morning at tomb. (Second day)
After sunset, Sunday evening at tomb. (Third night)
Sunday morning, the resurrection. (Third day)
I believe the "heart of the earth" refers to His separation from God's protection and His sufferings bearing our sins.(2Cor 5:21)

Jesus again emphasizes that He wants His Father's will to be done. His natural, human emotions are agonized over what He knows is coming (H
ebrews 4:15). The reference to drinking connects to Jesus' previous prayer in verse 39, where He describes the coming judgment of and separation from God as a "cup." He knows the time has come to endure these things, and He is declaring His desire—His preference—not to do so to God the Father. He will trust His Father's decision.
https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/26/Mat ... 20decision.

2Co 5:21 God made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that God's righteousness would be produced in us.

Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

[rstrats]

Scriptures "day" start from sunset to sunset. (Lev 23:32)
When Jesus drink the cup (Mat 26:42), Jesus separation from God's protection as He would endure all the sacrifices and even death.
That happens Friday night (Scriptures' reckoning) To us, it was Thursday. (First night)
Friday morning Jesus bearing the cross. (First day)
After sunset Saturday Jesus at tomb. (Second night)
Saturday morning at tomb. (Second day)
After sunset, Sunday evening at tomb. (Third night)
Sunday morning, the resurrection. (Third day)
I believe the "heart of the earth" refers to His separation from God's protection and His sufferings bearing our sins.(2Cor 5:21)

Jesus again emphasizes that He wants His Father's will to be done. His natural, human emotions are agonized over what He knows is coming (H
ebrews 4:15). The reference to drinking connects to Jesus' previous prayer in verse 39, where He describes the coming judgment of and separation from God as a "cup." He knows the time has come to endure these things, and He is declaring His desire—His preference—not to do so to God the Father. He will trust His Father's decision.
https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/26/Mat ... 20decision.

2Co 5:21 God made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that God's righteousness would be produced in us.

Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Your comments deal with issues for a different topic. Maybe you can start one.