Lake of fire

[achilles12604]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

[myth-one.com]

Tormenting means a desisting of his ability to function, as if in a jail cell. He will not be able to function because he will be dead.

torment: severe physical or mental suffering.


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

If the devil is killed in the lake of fire as you claim, then he cannot be tormented day and night forever as stated in Revelation 20:10 because the dead know not any thing -- so they do not know physical or mental suffering -- which is the knowledge of severe physical or mental suffering

But according to the scriptures, the devil will suffer severe mental suffering (torment) eternally.

Why do you believe that the spiritual bodied devil can die?

One definition that you gave is "severe physical suffering." How much severer suffering could the Devil experience than death?

Everlasting suffering is infinitely worst than death.

That is the epitome of physical suffering.

No, the dead know not any thing.

Anyway, the Devil is a spirit so he wouldn't feel any pain from flames. Your argument falls flat.

The purpose of the fire is to quickly kill those humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life when they are cast into the lake of fire:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

The devil's everlasting torment will be his isolation as a prisoner in the lake of fire. He has rebelled, been defeated, and lost his freedom and authority for eternity.

This is the worst possible sentence, and is the reason that God made man a little lower than the angels so that we can accept everlasting life or the everlasting second death.

Both of those choices exclude sever long lasting suffering.

[onewithhim]

Tormenting means a desisting of his ability to function, as if in a jail cell. He will not be able to function because he will be dead.

torment: severe physical or mental suffering.


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

If the devil is killed in the lake of fire as you claim, then he cannot be tormented day and night forever as stated in Revelation 20:10 because the dead know not any thing -- so they do not know physical or mental suffering -- which is the knowledge of severe physical or mental suffering

But according to the scriptures, the devil will suffer severe mental suffering (torment) eternally.

Why do you believe that the spiritual bodied devil can die?

One definition that you gave is "severe physical suffering." How much severer suffering could the Devil experience than death?

Everlasting suffering is infinitely worst than death.

That is the epitome of physical suffering.

No, the dead know not any thing.

Anyway, the Devil is a spirit so he wouldn't feel any pain from flames. Your argument falls flat.

The purpose of the fire is to quickly kill those humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life when they are cast into the lake of fire:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

The devil's everlasting torment will be his isolation as a prisoner in the lake of fire. He has rebelled, been defeated, and lost his freedom and authority for eternity.

This is the worst possible sentence, and is the reason that God made man a little lower than the angels so that we can accept everlasting life or the everlasting second death.

Both of those choices exclude sever long lasting suffering.

Your post is contradicting itself. You say that purpose of the lake of fire is to "quickly kill" those whose names are not written in the book of life. Then you say that Satan will not be killed. There would be no reason for God to keep Satan alive to suffer. What would the reason be? To hear his cries and screams? To feel some monstrous satisfaction? No, the Devil will be killed, which is more merciful that keeping someone alive who is being tortured. God is merciful, not the ogre you make him out to be.

And what would the purpose be to throw Satan into a "lake of fire?" He is spirit and would not feel any flames. It is obviously symbolic for annihilation.

[myth-one.com]

Tormenting means a desisting of his ability to function, as if in a jail cell. He will not be able to function because he will be dead.

torment: severe physical or mental suffering.


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

If the devil is killed in the lake of fire as you claim, then he cannot be tormented day and night forever as stated in Revelation 20:10 because the dead know not any thing -- so they do not know physical or mental suffering -- which is the knowledge of severe physical or mental suffering

But according to the scriptures, the devil will suffer severe mental suffering (torment) eternally.

Why do you believe that the spiritual bodied devil can die?

One definition that you gave is "severe physical suffering." How much severer suffering could the Devil experience than death?

Everlasting suffering is infinitely worst than death.

That is the epitome of physical suffering.

No, the dead know not any thing.

Anyway, the Devil is a spirit so he wouldn't feel any pain from flames. Your argument falls flat.

The purpose of the fire is to quickly kill those humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life when they are cast into the lake of fire:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

The devil's everlasting torment will be his isolation as a prisoner in the lake of fire. He has rebelled, been defeated, and lost his freedom and authority for eternity.

This is the worst possible sentence, and is the reason that God made man a little lower than the angels so that we can accept everlasting life or the everlasting second death.

Both of those choices exclude sever long lasting suffering.

Your post is contradicting itself. You say that purpose of the lake of fire is to "quickly kill" those whose names are not written in the book of life. Then you say that Satan will not be killed. There would be no reason for God to keep Satan alive to suffer. What would the reason be? To hear his cries and screams? To feel some monstrous satisfaction? No, the Devil will be killed, which is more merciful that keeping someone alive who is being tortured. God is merciful, not the ogre you make him out to be.

And what would the purpose be to throw Satan into a "lake of fire?" He is spirit and would not feel any flames. It is obviously symbolic for annihilation.

God created the devil as an immortal spiritual being. That being the case, God cannot kill the devil.

If God can kill the devil after making the devil as immortal, then God would have lied about making the devil immortal.

But God cannot lie:

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; (Titus 1:2)


The devil will be tormented forever in the lake of fire, regardless of how you characterize it!

Can "annihilated" beings suffer torment?

The devil is being tormented, not tortured. Please use the correct word according to the Bible.

[onewithhim]

Tormenting means a desisting of his ability to function, as if in a jail cell. He will not be able to function because he will be dead.

torment: severe physical or mental suffering.


For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

If the devil is killed in the lake of fire as you claim, then he cannot be tormented day and night forever as stated in Revelation 20:10 because the dead know not any thing -- so they do not know physical or mental suffering -- which is the knowledge of severe physical or mental suffering

But according to the scriptures, the devil will suffer severe mental suffering (torment) eternally.

Why do you believe that the spiritual bodied devil can die?

One definition that you gave is "severe physical suffering." How much severer suffering could the Devil experience than death?

Everlasting suffering is infinitely worst than death.

That is the epitome of physical suffering.

No, the dead know not any thing.

Anyway, the Devil is a spirit so he wouldn't feel any pain from flames. Your argument falls flat.

The purpose of the fire is to quickly kill those humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life when they are cast into the lake of fire:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

The devil's everlasting torment will be his isolation as a prisoner in the lake of fire. He has rebelled, been defeated, and lost his freedom and authority for eternity.

This is the worst possible sentence, and is the reason that God made man a little lower than the angels so that we can accept everlasting life or the everlasting second death.

Both of those choices exclude sever long lasting suffering.

Your post is contradicting itself. You say that purpose of the lake of fire is to "quickly kill" those whose names are not written in the book of life. Then you say that Satan will not be killed. There would be no reason for God to keep Satan alive to suffer. What would the reason be? To hear his cries and screams? To feel some monstrous satisfaction? No, the Devil will be killed, which is more merciful that keeping someone alive who is being tortured. God is merciful, not the ogre you make him out to be.

And what would the purpose be to throw Satan into a "lake of fire?" He is spirit and would not feel any flames. It is obviously symbolic for annihilation.

God created the devil as an immortal spiritual being. That being the case, God cannot kill the devil.

No, God did not create the Devil as an immortal spiritual being. Jesus was the only immortal individual at the time Paul wrote to Timothy (ITimothy 6:16), so that shows that the angels were not created immortal, including Satan.

[myth-one.com]

No, God did not create the Devil as an immortal spiritual being.

So the devil is a human?

[Capbook]

No, God did not create the Devil as an immortal spiritual being.

So the devil is a human?

No, the devil was a cherub, in Greek "kerub" means an angelic being.

כּרוּב kerûb
BDB Definition:
1) cherub, cherubim (plural)
1a) an angelic being
1a1) as guardians of Eden
1a2) as flanking God’s throne
1a3) as an image form hovering over the Ark of the Covenant

Ezk 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #203]

God created the devil as an immortal spiritual being. That being the case, God cannot kill the devil.

Please provide the scripture that says this.
As far as I know, there are none.
To the contrary, the scriptures say the Devil will be destroyed.

Hebrews 2:14
Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

Angels do not have immortality.
The only ones the scriptures mention as having immortality, are God, Christ, and the Saints.
Deuteronomy 18:16; Psalm 90:2; Romans 6:9; 1 Corinthians 15:53-55

[John17_3]

No, God did not create the Devil as an immortal spiritual being.

So the devil is a human?

Humans are subject to decay.
However, God can sustain their life, so that they live forever - that is, as long as God keeps them alive.

Angels are not subject to decay, but that does not make them immortal, since God can, and will destroy those angels that sinned.

Immortal ones cannot be destroyed. So the angels are not immortal.
Jesus and the Saints have been given an immortal body - one like God's.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #203]

God created the devil as an immortal spiritual being. That being the case, God cannot kill the devil.

Please provide the scripture that says this.
As far as I know, there are none.
To the contrary, the scriptures say the Devil will be destroyed.

Revelation 20:10 (King James Version)

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

If the devil will be tormented forever and ever, then the devil is immortal.

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #203]

God created the devil as an immortal spiritual being. That being the case, God cannot kill the devil.

Please provide the scripture that says this.
As far as I know, there are none.
To the contrary, the scriptures say the Devil will be destroyed.

Revelation 20:10 (King James Version)

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

If the devil will be tormented forever and ever, then the devil is immortal.

You claimed,
God created the devil as an immortal spiritual being. That being the case, God cannot kill the devil.

Revelation 20:10 reads,
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

That scripture does not say the Devil is immortal. nor does it say God cannot kill the Devil.
Your interpretation of the scriptures is not scriptures. Do you understand that, and do you agree?