Does Hell Exist?

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The question for debate is does hell exist? If so, what does the Bible teach hell is?

[onewithhim]

Not modified John 1:1, Phil 2:6, Mat 28:19, Heb 1:8, Psa 45:6 and etc., I believed answers that.

All these text have been properly explained earlier HERE viewtopic.php?p=1007525#p1007525

The Bible verse was interpreted by another Bible verse, and not modifying the Bible text just to suit to their belief.

What do you mean? Can you explain? (Did you click on JWs' link?)

No, I did not. Yes, we can't find the word Almighty in Heb 1:9 for both of them.
But we can find Jesus as "the Almighty" in Rev 1:8,17,18. The one who is to come, who died and was made alive.

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

[Capbook]

Not modified John 1:1, Phil 2:6, Mat 28:19, Heb 1:8, Psa 45:6 and etc., I believed answers that.

All these text have been properly explained earlier HERE viewtopic.php?p=1007525#p1007525

The Bible verse was interpreted by another Bible verse, and not modifying the Bible text just to suit to their belief.

What do you mean? Can you explain? (Did you click on JWs' link?)

No, I did not. Yes, we can't find the word Almighty in Heb 1:9 for both of them.
But we can find Jesus as "the Almighty" in Rev 1:8,17,18. The one who is to come, who died and was made alive.

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

[onewithhim]

Not modified John 1:1, Phil 2:6, Mat 28:19, Heb 1:8, Psa 45:6 and etc., I believed answers that.

All these text have been properly explained earlier HERE viewtopic.php?p=1007525#p1007525

The Bible verse was interpreted by another Bible verse, and not modifying the Bible text just to suit to their belief.

What do you mean? Can you explain? (Did you click on JWs' link?)

No, I did not. Yes, we can't find the word Almighty in Heb 1:9 for both of them.
But we can find Jesus as "the Almighty" in Rev 1:8,17,18. The one who is to come, who died and was made alive.

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Verse 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah, the Father. The Father is the one who gave all this revelation to John through Jesus. He is going to have many things to say throughout. He inserts verse 8 in the narrative.

[Capbook]

Not modified John 1:1, Phil 2:6, Mat 28:19, Heb 1:8, Psa 45:6 and etc., I believed answers that.

All these text have been properly explained earlier HERE viewtopic.php?p=1007525#p1007525

The Bible verse was interpreted by another Bible verse, and not modifying the Bible text just to suit to their belief.

What do you mean? Can you explain? (Did you click on JWs' link?)

No, I did not. Yes, we can't find the word Almighty in Heb 1:9 for both of them.
But we can find Jesus as "the Almighty" in Rev 1:8,17,18. The one who is to come, who died and was made alive.

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Verse 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah, the Father. The Father is the one who gave all this revelation to John through Jesus. He is going to have many things to say throughout. He inserts verse 8 in the narrative.

Context again, who for the second time says, "I am Alpha and Omega" here?

Rev 1:11-13
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

[onewithhim]

All these text have been properly explained earlier HERE viewtopic.php?p=1007525#p1007525

The Bible verse was interpreted by another Bible verse, and not modifying the Bible text just to suit to their belief.

What do you mean? Can you explain? (Did you click on JWs' link?)

No, I did not. Yes, we can't find the word Almighty in Heb 1:9 for both of them.
But we can find Jesus as "the Almighty" in Rev 1:8,17,18. The one who is to come, who died and was made alive.

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Verse 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah, the Father. The Father is the one who gave all this revelation to John through Jesus. He is going to have many things to say throughout. He inserts verse 8 in the narrative.

Context again, who for the second time says, "I am Alpha and Omega" here?

Rev 1:11-13
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

The first part of the verse is Jehovah talking. Then, in the midst of the candlesticks is Jesus. Did you notice that John turned around from looking at Jehovah in the vision, and saw the Son of Man?

[Capbook]

The Bible verse was interpreted by another Bible verse, and not modifying the Bible text just to suit to their belief.

What do you mean? Can you explain? (Did you click on JWs' link?)

No, I did not. Yes, we can't find the word Almighty in Heb 1:9 for both of them.
But we can find Jesus as "the Almighty" in Rev 1:8,17,18. The one who is to come, who died and was made alive.

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Verse 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah, the Father. The Father is the one who gave all this revelation to John through Jesus. He is going to have many things to say throughout. He inserts verse 8 in the narrative.

Context again, who for the second time says, "I am Alpha and Omega" here?

Rev 1:11-13
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

The first part of the verse is Jehovah talking. Then, in the midst of the candlesticks is Jesus. Did you notice that John turned around from looking at Jehovah in the vision, and saw the Son of Man?

1. Notice that the," I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. Using the definite article "the" means used before a noun to indicate that the identity of the noun is known.
2. John turned to see the voice that spake to him. It doesn't say two voices. It's just the voice of Jesus.
3. As you confirm that the first and the last refers to Jesus and John heard only one voice, through context Jesus is the Alpha and Omega in this verse and also in verse 8.

Rev 1:11-13
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

[Capbook]

What do you mean? Can you explain? (Did you click on JWs' link?)

No, I did not. Yes, we can't find the word Almighty in Heb 1:9 for both of them.
But we can find Jesus as "the Almighty" in Rev 1:8,17,18. The one who is to come, who died and was made alive.

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Verse 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah, the Father. The Father is the one who gave all this revelation to John through Jesus. He is going to have many things to say throughout. He inserts verse 8 in the narrative.

Context again, who for the second time says, "I am Alpha and Omega" here?

Rev 1:11-13
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

The first part of the verse is Jehovah talking. Then, in the midst of the candlesticks is Jesus. Did you notice that John turned around from looking at Jehovah in the vision, and saw the Son of Man?

.

Prove that there are two voices that John heard in that verses?

[onewithhim]

No, I did not. Yes, we can't find the word Almighty in Heb 1:9 for both of them.
But we can find Jesus as "the Almighty" in Rev 1:8,17,18. The one who is to come, who died and was made alive.

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Verse 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah, the Father. The Father is the one who gave all this revelation to John through Jesus. He is going to have many things to say throughout. He inserts verse 8 in the narrative.

Context again, who for the second time says, "I am Alpha and Omega" here?

Rev 1:11-13
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

The first part of the verse is Jehovah talking. Then, in the midst of the candlesticks is Jesus. Did you notice that John turned around from looking at Jehovah in the vision, and saw the Son of Man?

.

Prove that there are two voices that John heard in that verses?

All of the Revelation is God, Jehovah, speaking through Jesus to John. He said that He is the Alpha and Omega. Now, in the vision John turned around and saw the vision of Jesus. That shows that when he faced forward he saw the vision of Jehovah, then he turned the other way and saw Jesus. Two directions, two individuals. It is logical thinking, just what Jehovah asked of us centuries ago (Isaiah 1:18, KJV).

[Capbook]

No, that Scripture at Rev 1:8 applies to God, the Father. He alone is the Almighty. (If you want to know a correct view of these subjects, why not go to JW's links?)

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Verse 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah, the Father. The Father is the one who gave all this revelation to John through Jesus. He is going to have many things to say throughout. He inserts verse 8 in the narrative.

Context again, who for the second time says, "I am Alpha and Omega" here?

Rev 1:11-13
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

The first part of the verse is Jehovah talking. Then, in the midst of the candlesticks is Jesus. Did you notice that John turned around from looking at Jehovah in the vision, and saw the Son of Man?

.

Prove that there are two voices that John heard in that verses?

All of the Revelation is God, Jehovah, speaking through Jesus to John. He said that He is the Alpha and Omega. Now, in the vision John turned around and saw the vision of Jesus. That shows that when he faced forward he saw the vision of Jehovah, then he turned the other way and saw Jesus. Two directions, two individuals. It is logical thinking, just what Jehovah asked of us centuries ago (Isaiah 1:18, KJV).

First, you reasoned that it is the Jehovah talking (I colored red above), now Jehovah through Jesus, sounds conflicting.
God the Father says He is the first and the last. (Isa 44;6)
And Jesus says, He is the first and the last. (Rev 1:17,18)
This proves that again Jesus is God.

Rev 1:17-18
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Isa 44:6
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God

[onewithhim]

I would rather base my beliefs of what is written in the Bible, not on certain links.
If Rev 1:8,17,18 refers to the Father, can you answer these questions;
1. Who is the speaker on that verse? Who is to come? (John 14:3) If the Father, can you show me a verse that the Father is coming again?
2. Who died and was made alive? If the Father, can you show me the verse that the Father died and was made alive?

I answered this on another thread. Anyway, I will answer again.
1. The Father is the speaker in verse 8. He alone is the Alpha and Omega. He is to come with Jesus when Jesus returns. See Malachi 3:5.
2. Jesus died and was made alive. Verse 18 refers to Jesus. He is "the First and the Last" but that is different than Alpha and Omega. I asked you to look at an Interlinear Bible and you could see the difference in the Greek words. I also explained what "the First" means.

1. So the Father is the one being pierced to you? (Rev 1:1,7-9) This book is the Revelation of Jesus. Verse 7 and 9 talked about Jesus and in between is not? Context please.
2. Yes, Jesus is the speaker in verse 8 and 18 through context.

Rev 1:7-9
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Verse 7 refers to Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah, the Father. The Father is the one who gave all this revelation to John through Jesus. He is going to have many things to say throughout. He inserts verse 8 in the narrative.

Context again, who for the second time says, "I am Alpha and Omega" here?

Rev 1:11-13
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

The first part of the verse is Jehovah talking. Then, in the midst of the candlesticks is Jesus. Did you notice that John turned around from looking at Jehovah in the vision, and saw the Son of Man?

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Prove that there are two voices that John heard in that verses?

All of the Revelation is God, Jehovah, speaking through Jesus to John. He said that He is the Alpha and Omega. Now, in the vision John turned around and saw the vision of Jesus. That shows that when he faced forward he saw the vision of Jehovah, then he turned the other way and saw Jesus. Two directions, two individuals. It is logical thinking, just what Jehovah asked of us centuries ago (Isaiah 1:18, KJV).

First, you reasoned that it is the Jehovah talking (I colored red above), now Jehovah through Jesus, sounds conflicting.
God the Father says He is the first and the last. (Isa 44;6)
And Jesus says, He is the first and the last. (Rev 1:17,18)
This proves that again Jesus is God.

Rev 1:17-18
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Isa 44:6
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God

Nope. Jesus is the "First and the Last," not Alpha and Omega. He is a different First and Last than his Father at Isaiah 44:6. Jehovah is supreme over everyone. He can be called the First and the Last. Jesus is called that because he was the first to be resurrected to heavenly life, and he is the last to be given the honor of saving mankind. They are not the same First and Last. And Jehovah never died, therefore verses 17 & 18 of Rev.1 refer to Jesus. We have discussed this all before.