Groans Of Agony

[BrotherBerry]

Are the groans of agony a prayer regardless of species?


What Is the theological purpose of animals vocalizing their terror?

[bjs1]

[Replying to BrotherBerry in post #1]

Groans of agony are not inherently a prayer for any species.

All animals, including humans, can vocalize terror without any theological significance.

For such vocalizations to be a prayer the sounds must be intended for God. Humans are the only animals capable of that intent.

[BrotherBerry]

[Replying to BrotherBerry in post #1]

Groans of agony are not inherently a prayer for any species.

All animals, including humans, can vocalize terror without any theological significance.

For such vocalizations to be a prayer the sounds must be intended for God. Humans are the only animals capable of that intent.

Psalm 147:9-11 "He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry...the LORD taketh pleasure in those who hope for His mercy."

Joel 1:20 "the beasts of the field cry also unto Thee..."


Romans 8:21,22 "for the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption...for we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now...waiting for redemption..."


God views their cries and groans as a supplication for the world's redemption. Scripture assures us God will rescue all of creation from the woeful consequences of a fallen world, Isaiah 11:6, 65:17-25.

Unfortunately, many Christians have a low view of God and scripture, and don't care about animals or their cries, but that would be a separate debate.

Anyway, thanks for commenting

[onewithhim]

[Replying to BrotherBerry in post #1]

Groans of agony are not inherently a prayer for any species.

All animals, including humans, can vocalize terror without any theological significance.

For such vocalizations to be a prayer the sounds must be intended for God. Humans are the only animals capable of that intent.

Psalm 147:9-11 "He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry...the LORD taketh pleasure in those who hope for His mercy."

Joel 1:20 "the beasts of the field cry also unto Thee..."


Romans 8:21,22 "for the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption...for we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now...waiting for redemption..."


God views their cries and groans as a supplication for the world's redemption. Scripture assures us God will rescue all of creation from the woeful consequences of a fallen world, Isaiah 11:6, 65:17-25.

Unfortunately, many Christians have a low view of God and scripture, and don't care about animals or their cries, but that would be a separate debate.

Anyway, thanks for commenting

Animals can be miserable and groan, but they cannot understand what is making them miserable or appeal to God for mercy. A lot of poetic license is used in the verses. The same as the trees clapping their hands at Isaiah 55:12---"For with rejoicing you people will go forth, and with peace you will be brought in. The mountains and the hills will become cheerful before you with a joyful outcry, and the very trees of the field will all clap their hands."

[BrotherBerry]

[Replying to BrotherBerry in post #1]

Groans of agony are not inherently a prayer for any species.

All animals, including humans, can vocalize terror without any theological significance.

For such vocalizations to be a prayer the sounds must be intended for God. Humans are the only animals capable of that intent.

Psalm 147:9-11 "He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry...the LORD taketh pleasure in those who hope for His mercy."

Joel 1:20 "the beasts of the field cry also unto Thee..."


Romans 8:21,22 "for the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption...for we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now...waiting for redemption..."


God views their cries and groans as a supplication for the world's redemption. Scripture assures us God will rescue all of creation from the woeful consequences of a fallen world, Isaiah 11:6, 65:17-25.

Unfortunately, many Christians have a low view of God and scripture, and don't care about animals or their cries, but that would be a separate debate.

Anyway, thanks for commenting

Animals can be miserable and groan, but they cannot understand what is making them miserable or appeal to God for mercy. A lot of poetic license is used in the verses. The same as the trees clapping their hands at Isaiah 55:12---"For with rejoicing you people will go forth, and with peace you will be brought in. The mountains and the hills will become cheerful before you with a joyful outcry, and the very trees of the field will all clap their hands."

Welp, I love animals and God does too. Paul viewed their groans as meaningful in the passage I quoted.

I cannot fathom why you would say, "animals can be miserable...but cannot understand what is making them miserable." I'm sure they're aware of starvation, abuse, thirst, and the like, but you believe they're unaware of the particulars? Super bizarre! Anyway, thanks for commenting.

[JehovahsWitness]

Paul viewed their groans as meaningful in the passage I quoted.

The suffering of animals is meaningful in that it represents man's mismanagement of the ecosystem and the general malaise and disharmony living things have experienced since the fall of Adam. That does not mean however that animals can offer God intelligent worship, since that would require free will and a spirituality that animals were not endowed with.




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[onewithhim]

[Replying to BrotherBerry in post #1]

Groans of agony are not inherently a prayer for any species.

All animals, including humans, can vocalize terror without any theological significance.

For such vocalizations to be a prayer the sounds must be intended for God. Humans are the only animals capable of that intent.

Psalm 147:9-11 "He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry...the LORD taketh pleasure in those who hope for His mercy."

Joel 1:20 "the beasts of the field cry also unto Thee..."


Romans 8:21,22 "for the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption...for we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now...waiting for redemption..."


God views their cries and groans as a supplication for the world's redemption. Scripture assures us God will rescue all of creation from the woeful consequences of a fallen world, Isaiah 11:6, 65:17-25.

Unfortunately, many Christians have a low view of God and scripture, and don't care about animals or their cries, but that would be a separate debate.

Anyway, thanks for commenting

Animals can be miserable and groan, but they cannot understand what is making them miserable or appeal to God for mercy. A lot of poetic license is used in the verses. The same as the trees clapping their hands at Isaiah 55:12---"For with rejoicing you people will go forth, and with peace you will be brought in. The mountains and the hills will become cheerful before you with a joyful outcry, and the very trees of the field will all clap their hands."

Welp, I love animals and God does too. Paul viewed their groans as meaningful in the passage I quoted.

I cannot fathom why you would say, "animals can be miserable...but cannot understand what is making them miserable." I'm sure they're aware of starvation, abuse, thirst, and the like, but you believe they're unaware of the particulars? Super bizarre! Anyway, thanks for commenting.

Of course animals are aware of starvation and abuse and so forth, but they can't reason on it and understand that men are so selfish that they have deprived the world of plenty of food for everybody, and that they are evil, abusing helpless animals. Stop putting words in my mouth.