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Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

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Capbook wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:17 pm Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment
I think Christians (=disciples of Jesus) should keep the Shabbat. But the reason should not be that person attempts to get saved, or to get a reward, but because he loves God.

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
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Isaiah 66:23 KJV: And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

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[Replying to Capbook in post #1]

Are we talking about a set traditional practice or the principle behind it? If the former, then I think Col 2:16 shows that it is not required for Christians because it is a shadow of the real thing: Christ. Still, these "shadows" can be very helpful, especially in the principle behind them, but also in the traditional elements.

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The Tanager wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:29 am [Replying to Capbook in post #1]

Are we talking about a set traditional practice or the principle behind it? If the former, then I think Col 2:16 shows that it is not required for Christians because it is a shadow of the real thing: Christ. Still, these "shadows" can be very helpful, especially in the principle behind them, but also in the traditional elements.
I believe apostle Paul speaks here in reference to some particulars of the hand-writing ordinances with no reference to the God's finger written Commandment which include the Sabbath. Paul who writes the Colossians still observed the Sabbath as his manner was in Acts 17:2.

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Capbook wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:59 pmI believe apostle Paul speaks here in reference to some particulars of the hand-writing ordinances with no reference to the God's finger written Commandment which include the Sabbath. Paul who writes the Colossians still observed the Sabbath as his manner was in Acts 17:2.
Yes, Paul observes it; I'm not saying he's telling the Colossians to not observe it. I can also understand reading verses 8 and 22 and thinking that Paul is only talking about the human additions, but the wider context causes me to lean towards Paul saying one needn't observe the Sabbath (although one can and it is beneficial to them). A key element is Paul's talk about circumcision that leads into this. In v. 11, he says one needn't observe physical circumcision (and the Jewish Christians didn't require it or Sabbath-keeping of the Gentile Christians in Acts 15 either). All one needs is found in Christ. Therefore, (v. 16) don't let people judge you in regards to food, drink, feasts, new moons, or Sabbath days.

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Capbook wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:17 pm Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment
No, Christians are not under the Mosaic law and do not have to keep a weekly Sabbath . That system was in place until the death of Christ, after that, for born again Christians and all that follow Christ , every day of the week is "The Lords day".


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DID THE APOSTLE PAUL OBSERVE THE SABBATH
Misconception: The apostle Paul observed the Sabbath as a Christian.

Fact: Paul entered synagogues on the Sabbath, but not to join the Jews in their observance. (Acts 13:14; 17:1-3; 18:4) Instead, following the custom of the time, he preached the good news in synagogues, as visiting speakers could be invited to address those gathered for worship. (Acts 13:15, 32) Paul preached “every day,” not just on the Sabbath.—Acts 17:17

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:24 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:17 pm Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment
No, Christians are not under the Mosaic law and do not have to keep a weekly Sabbath. That system was in place until the death of Christ, after that, for born again Christians and all that follow Christ , every day of the week is "The Lords day".


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Did the apostle Paul observed the Sabbath as a Christian?
viewtopic.php?p=1153393#p1153393

Not keeping the Lord's Day is still a sin, but sin no longer affects our salvation after the death of Christ.

But why do you claim that The Lord's Day is every day of the week for Christians?

"Day" is singular, not plural:

Exodus 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

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The Tanager wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 8:42 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:59 pmI believe apostle Paul speaks here in reference to some particulars of the hand-writing ordinances with no reference to the God's finger written Commandment which include the Sabbath. Paul who writes the Colossians still observed the Sabbath as his manner was in Acts 17:2.
Yes, Paul observes it; I'm not saying he's telling the Colossians to not observe it. I can also understand reading verses 8 and 22 and thinking that Paul is only talking about the human additions, but the wider context causes me to lean towards Paul saying one needn't observe the Sabbath (although one can and it is beneficial to them). A key element is Paul's talk about circumcision that leads into this. In v. 11, he says one needn't observe physical circumcision (and the Jewish Christians didn't require it or Sabbath-keeping of the Gentile Christians in Acts 15 either). All one needs is found in Christ. Therefore, (v. 16) don't let people judge you in regards to food, drink, feasts, new moons, or Sabbath days.
You've said that, "In v. 11, he says one needn't observe physical circumcision (and the Jewish Christians didn't require it or Sabbath-keeping of the Gentile Christians in Acts 15 either)." If they needn't observe Sabbath-keeping in Acts 15, but why in the next chapter 16 verses 13-15, on Sabbath day there was preaching, conversion and results to baptism of the family of Lydia.

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