God created all things by Jesus Christ

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is another way to prove the identity of Jesus Christ the Son of God as being the very Word of God.

Notice…

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

And here….

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And here….

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

In the above 3 verses we see that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Word of God are the same, by which God created all things.

Peace and God bless

[onewithhim]

Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?

Are you accustom of changing the words in the Bible?

I did not change the words in the bible, I changed the words in the post - isn't that what you told me to do?

I am not the one who post it, and I've read some that your translators have also changed words in the Bible. That I wonder if you are accustom doing it.
Back to the thread's title, yes I believed Jesus in Heb 1:10 laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.

You READ everything ABOUT certain things, rather than looking into it yourself. You say you "read" that the NWT has changed words in the Bible. Have you compared Bible versions and Interlinears to see for yourself? The only changes that have been made were by other translators following the King James' translators' version. They already believed that Jesus was God. They didn't follow the original Hebrew or Greek.

[Capbook]

Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?

Are you accustom of changing the words in the Bible?

I did not change the words in the bible, I changed the words in the post - isn't that what you told me to do?

I am not the one who post it, and I've read some that your translators have also changed words in the Bible. That I wonder if you are accustom doing it.
Back to the thread's title, yes I believed Jesus in Heb 1:10 laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.

You READ everything ABOUT certain things, rather than looking into it yourself. You say you "read" that the NWT has changed words in the Bible. Have you compared Bible versions and Interlinears to see for yourself? The only changes that have been made were by other translators following the King James' translators' version. They already believed that Jesus was God. They didn't follow the original Hebrew or Greek.

Other Bible translations are thought for thought translations.
While KJV are word for word translation with corresponding Hebrew and Greek word equivalent.
Wikipedia states that NWT add "a" in John 1:1. Why?
Is it in Rev 22:18?
Of course many verses that say Jesus is God.

[onewithhim]

Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?

Are you accustom of changing the words in the Bible?

I did not change the words in the bible, I changed the words in the post - isn't that what you told me to do?

I am not the one who post it, and I've read some that your translators have also changed words in the Bible. That I wonder if you are accustom doing it.
Back to the thread's title, yes I believed Jesus in Heb 1:10 laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.

You READ everything ABOUT certain things, rather than looking into it yourself. You say you "read" that the NWT has changed words in the Bible. Have you compared Bible versions and Interlinears to see for yourself? The only changes that have been made were by other translators following the King James' translators' version. They already believed that Jesus was God. They didn't follow the original Hebrew or Greek.

Other Bible translations are thought for thought translations.
While KJV are word for word translation with corresponding Hebrew and Greek word equivalent.
Wikipedia states that NWT add "a" in John 1:1. Why?
Is it in Rev 22:18?
Of course many verses that say Jesus is God.

No there are NO verses that say Jesus is God. And the KJV does not render translation word for word. What those committee members did was translate from the Latin Vulgate.

"A" is not "added" in John 1:1. It is understood there in the Greek and is translated as such from Greek to English. In Greek when the article for God Almighty appears, we know that God Almighty is meant. When there is no article, we know that it is NOT referring to God Almighty but to a highly revered, powerful individual. That is what "god" meant to the people of John's day. They knew he was differentiating God Almighty from a respected powerful individual, the Word, Jesus Christ.

The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson renders John 1:1 as "a god." Moffatt's Translation says "the Word was Divine, not God. There are versions of the Bible that recognize the different way Greek is translated into English, using articles or the lack thereof to indicate what the person referred to is.

("Divine" means "from or of God," but does not indicate God Almighty.)

Rev.22:18 is referring to God, the Father, whose words of the Revelation are unique to Him. He gave the Revelation to Jesus, so it is His book. It is not unusual that He should refer to Himself a lot in the book. He refers to Himself as the Alpha and Omega.

[Revelations won]

Dear Stewardofthemystery,

Don't worry, Onewithhim and others of the same persuasion will never get it right until they understand that Jehovah is NOT Elohim or God The Father.

God the other did not create this earth or the heaven relating to it. That was a work assigned to Jehovah (Jesus Christ). Jehovah who is Jesus Christ created this earth. Jesus Christ is the Holy one of Israel He also was to inherit all that the Father hath, He is the Judge of all, he he is alpha and Omega the first and the last, he it is who gave the law to Moses, he it is who is indeed Immanuel or God with us who first came in humble birth to perform his mission as the illustrator of the law, he will come again in the fulfillment of his divine capacity as the legal administrator of the law to rule and reign eternally over his everlasting kingdom!

The law could of and in itself never atone for mans sins, could never redeem anyone from the fall, could never resurrect anyone, for the law was a schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ. There is no other name under heaven whereby man may be saved. Having thus stated that, it should be very clear that no one cn justly deny the Divine Nature of the Living Christ.

[onewithhim]

Dear Stewardofthemystery,

Don't worry, Onewithhim and others of the same persuasion will never get it right until they understand that Jehovah is NOT Elohim or God The Father.

How can you say such a thing when it is Jehovah who anointed Jesus at Isaiah 61: 1,2 (Jesus applied the one who is being anointed to himself at Luke 4: 18-21.) There was a closeness there that is carried over into the NT that makes it clear to see that Jehovah in the OT is the Father in the NT. . What other sublime Being could he be addressing when praying to the Father than Jehovah? The Father obviously has great prominence and power and is no small character throughout the NT. Jehovah is God Almighty from Genesis to Revelation.

Paul said that there is one God---the Father. (I Corinthians 8:6) Jesus said the same thing at John 17:3. The Father is "the only true God." So if the Father is the true God, Who is Jehovah if not that Being? He says that He is the most high (Psalm 83:18, KJV). Are you saying that there are two God Almighties?

[onewithhim]

Dear Stewardofthemystery,

Don't worry, Onewithhim and others of the same persuasion will never get it right until they understand that Jehovah is NOT Elohim or God The Father.

How can you say such a thing when it is Jehovah who anointed Jesus at Isaiah 61: 1,2 (Jesus applied the one who is being anointed to himself at Luke 4: 18-21.) There was a closeness there that is carried over into the NT that makes it clear to see that Jehovah in the OT is the Father in the NT. . What other sublime Being could he be addressing when praying to the Father than Jehovah? The Father obviously has great prominence and power and is no small character throughout the NT. Jehovah is God Almighty from Genesis to Revelation.

Paul said that there is one God---the Father. (I Corinthians 8:6) Jesus said the same thing at John 17:3. The Father is "the only true God." So if the Father is the true God, Who is Jehovah if not that Being? He says that He is the most high (Psalm 83:18, KJV). Are you saying that there are two God Almighties?

.

[Capbook]

Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?

Are you accustom of changing the words in the Bible?

I did not change the words in the bible, I changed the words in the post - isn't that what you told me to do?

I am not the one who post it, and I've read some that your translators have also changed words in the Bible. That I wonder if you are accustom doing it.
Back to the thread's title, yes I believed Jesus in Heb 1:10 laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.

You READ everything ABOUT certain things, rather than looking into it yourself. You say you "read" that the NWT has changed words in the Bible. Have you compared Bible versions and Interlinears to see for yourself? The only changes that have been made were by other translators following the King James' translators' version. They already believed that Jesus was God. They didn't follow the original Hebrew or Greek.

Other Bible translations are thought for thought translations.
While KJV are word for word translation with corresponding Hebrew and Greek word equivalent.
Wikipedia states that NWT add "a" in John 1:1. Why?
Is it in Rev 22:18?
Of course many verses that say Jesus is God.

No there are NO verses that say Jesus is God. And the KJV does not render translation word for word. What those committee members did was translate from the Latin Vulgate.

"A" is not "added" in John 1:1. It is understood there in the Greek and is translated as such from Greek to English. In Greek when the article for God Almighty appears, we know that God Almighty is meant. When there is no article, we know that it is NOT referring to God Almighty but to a highly revered, powerful individual. That is what "god" meant to the people of John's day. They knew he was differentiating God Almighty from a respected powerful individual, the Word, Jesus Christ.

The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson renders John 1:1 as "a god." Moffatt's Translation says "the Word was Divine, not God. There are versions of the Bible that recognize the different way Greek is translated into English, using articles or the lack thereof to indicate what the person referred to is.

("Divine" means "from or of God," but does not indicate God Almighty.)

Rev.22:18 is referring to God, the Father, whose words of the Revelation are unique to Him. He gave the Revelation to Jesus, so it is His book. It is not unusual that He should refer to Himself a lot in the book. He refers to Himself as the Alpha and Omega.

The author conclude that it is not the correct translation of the verse. https://www.psephizo.com/biblical-studi ... was-a-god/

This is a question I quite often get asked in relation to conversations with Jehovah’s Witnesses and the New World Translation (NWT). The NWT translates the end of John 1.1 as ‘the Word as a god’ in order to avoid the identification of Jesus with the God of the Old Testament, and avoid seeing Jesus as God incarnate, part of the Trinity, as does orthodox Christian belief.

As we will see, this is an incorrect translation of the Greek text.

[onewithhim]

Romans 9:5 : Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God [EQUAL (to)] all, forever praised! Amen.NIV

Are you happy that the above ?

Are you accustom of changing the words in the Bible?

I did not change the words in the bible, I changed the words in the post - isn't that what you told me to do?

I am not the one who post it, and I've read some that your translators have also changed words in the Bible. That I wonder if you are accustom doing it.
Back to the thread's title, yes I believed Jesus in Heb 1:10 laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.

You READ everything ABOUT certain things, rather than looking into it yourself. You say you "read" that the NWT has changed words in the Bible. Have you compared Bible versions and Interlinears to see for yourself? The only changes that have been made were by other translators following the King James' translators' version. They already believed that Jesus was God. They didn't follow the original Hebrew or Greek.

Other Bible translations are thought for thought translations.
While KJV are word for word translation with corresponding Hebrew and Greek word equivalent.
Wikipedia states that NWT add "a" in John 1:1. Why?
Is it in Rev 22:18?
Of course many verses that say Jesus is God.

No there are NO verses that say Jesus is God. And the KJV does not render translation word for word. What those committee members did was translate from the Latin Vulgate.

"A" is not "added" in John 1:1. It is understood there in the Greek and is translated as such from Greek to English. In Greek when the article for God Almighty appears, we know that God Almighty is meant. When there is no article, we know that it is NOT referring to God Almighty but to a highly revered, powerful individual. That is what "god" meant to the people of John's day. They knew he was differentiating God Almighty from a respected powerful individual, the Word, Jesus Christ.

The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson renders John 1:1 as "a god." Moffatt's Translation says "the Word was Divine, not God. There are versions of the Bible that recognize the different way Greek is translated into English, using articles or the lack thereof to indicate what the person referred to is.

("Divine" means "from or of God," but does not indicate God Almighty.)

Rev.22:18 is referring to God, the Father, whose words of the Revelation are unique to Him. He gave the Revelation to Jesus, so it is His book. It is not unusual that He should refer to Himself a lot in the book. He refers to Himself as the Alpha and Omega.

The author conclude that it is not the correct translation of the verse. https://www.psephizo.com/biblical-studi ... was-a-god/

This is a question I quite often get asked in relation to conversations with Jehovah’s Witnesses and the New World Translation (NWT). The NWT translates the end of John 1.1 as ‘the Word as a god’ in order to avoid the identification of Jesus with the God of the Old Testament, and avoid seeing Jesus as God incarnate, part of the Trinity, as does orthodox Christian belief.

As we will see, this is an incorrect translation of the Greek text.

No, it is not an incorrect translation of the Greek text. We don't translate from Greek the way we look at an English sentence. They are not the same. In Greek there is an article that will show who or what is the only thing, in this case, God. "THE God." There is not an article before god concerning "the Word was a god." Therefore the Word was WITH God but was not God Almighty. Greeks at that time understood "god" to mean anyone with great authority and power, such as judges or kings. So John was differentiating between "the" God and the Word. The Word was a powerful venerated individual but, without the article, not God Almighty.

[nawlens]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #38]

I'm some sick and tired of Trinitarian Christianity - get me the fuck out of here and ban me. I fucking can't stand trinitarianism! I mean it FUCKING BAN ME AND GET ME THE FUCK AWAY FROM DIABOLICAL TRINITARIAN FUCKING CHRISTIANITY!

[onewithhim]

[Replying to nawlens in post #39]

Well, nawlens, find a truly Christian group that does not teach the trinity. Go to www.jw.org.