Does Hell Exist?

[Data]

The question for debate is does hell exist? If so, what does the Bible teach hell is?

[EBA]

So, age upon age upon age upon age stretching to infinity.

An age is any period of time, agreed?

Agreed.

So .. given the above, my question for you is the following ...

• If someone' s life began at a particular point in time and subsequently lasted (1,000 years x infinity or as you put it "age upon age upon age stretching to infinity") how long would they live?

JW

Nice try.

You're still avoiding my questions.

[EBA]

Mortal man does not become immortal.

That's not what scripture teaches.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. (1Cor 15:53) 

Only Jesus and his co-rulers are immortal.

Christ is immortal but co-rulers? I don't think so.

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1Tim 6:16) 

Man will remain mortal, but this doesn't mean that they will die.

Not not true. All mortals die.

If a mortal human being remains faithful to God he will live forever.

And that's not true.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (Gen 3:4)

Sound familiar?

I am not immortal nor is anyone else except Jesus and his Holy Ones who will rule with him.

You are correct in saying you are not immortal.

If you are using the word "immortal" to mean "able live forever," then I would answer differently.

Sounds like you might have a beef with JW.

1. Since when does immortality mean life that ends? If that immortal life began and continues indefinitely is it not "unending" or "everlasting"?

Mortal man becomes able to live forever right after the thousand years are over and they have remained faithful.

Well, this would take further discussion before I disagree.

I have everlasting life so far.

No you do not. You will die some day.

I am faithful now and am striving to be forever.

That's a good thing.

As long as I stay on the road to everlasting life (Matthew 7: 13,14) and endure to the end (Matthew 24:13) I will be saved.

As long as you are mortal you do not have everlasting life. You have chance for eonian life.
And if you endure to the end you will rise up in the first resurection to eonian life.

Everlasting life starts now as long as we remain faithful.

No it doesn't.

The final test will sort out many who will not remain faithful after the Millennial Reign, but those who remain faithful will "come to life," that is---they will be able to live forever and enjoy life as humans were intended to do from the beginning.

What final test?

And are you telling me man thwarted God's intentions?

[onewithhim]

Mortal man does not become immortal.

That's not what scripture teaches.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. (1Cor 15:53) 

This has been responded to innumerable times. The ones who "put on incorruption" are the anointed disciples of Jesus who will rule with him in heaven. They are immortal.

Mortal man is not immortal, and we can know this because Adam was created mortal and there is no indication that he would have changed to immortality. Adam could have lived on indefinitely, and would still be here among us, if he had obeyed God and proved faithful. "Immortality" means that you cannot die. "Mortality" means that you can die but you won't if you remain loyal to the Most High.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to EBA in post #252]

God's intentions were that humans would live on the earth forever in paradise conditions. He gave Adam the job of caring for the earth. This will come true in the near future, for God's will cannot be thwarted.

[EBA]

This has been responded to innumerable times. The ones who "put on incorruption" are the anointed disciples of Jesus who will rule with him in heaven. They are immortal.

You mean God's Elect, his chosen, the saints right? Why not just call them what they are? Why all the word play?
Just curious.

And they are not immortal thay are dead and in their graves. Unless you can prove to me that the first resurrection is now taking place.

And every single person taht ever lived, lives or will live will put on immortality eventually; the Word of God says so.

Mortal man is not immortal, and we can know this because Adam was created mortal and there is no indication that he would have changed to immortality.
Adam could have lived on indefinitely, and would still be here among us, if he had obeyed God and proved faithful.

No he couldn't have. God intended for Adam to sin.

"Immortality" means that you cannot die. "Mortality" means that you can die but you won't if you remain loyal to the Most High.

No, "Mortality" does not mean "that you can die but you won't if you remain loyal to the Most High." I think you made that up or you a parroting something you learned.

All the apostles died; were they disloyal?

[EBA]

God's intentions were that humans would live on the earth forever in paradise conditions. He gave Adam the job of caring for the earth.

And Adam thwarted God's intentions? Is that what you're saying?

This will come true in the near future, for God's will cannot be thwarted.

You mean this go-around it can't be thwarted?

[MissKate13]

[Replying to EBA in post #248]

Hi Kate, I've read this a few times but can't seem to find your definition of "hell" or whether or not you think it should even be in the translations.

What say you?

Hi EBA. Thanks for your response.

The definition of hell depends on which of the three Greek terms are in the original language. Is it ade, geennan or Tartarus. Each has a different meaning.

Hell is an English word. I have no problem with it being used in the translations.

The problem I have is that it’s a very misunderstood word. It doesn’t always mean “Lake of Fire.” And it never means “the grave” as some teach.

If context is not considered in every passage, and a quick check of the actual Greek term used in a verse along with its definition, it can be misleading. As I wrote in my research notes, hell represents THREE different Greek terms.

The verses I cited helped me to understand the topic of hell much better than I did prior to my study.

I absolutely believe hell exists, and I believe in eternal torment, but I now understand that sometimes the English word hell can have different meanings. Sometimes hell is Hades (the abode of the dead). Other times, it’s Geennan, (a place of torment). And then there is Tartarus, an abode where evil angels exist prior to the final judgement when they will be sent to Geennan.

I use a Hebrew or Greek lexicon when I study. For me it’s important to know what the original language says. I’m no expert in either of those languages, and that’s why I use lexicons, dictionaries and interlinears.

I hope this helps. If not, feel free to ask me any question you may have. I’d be happy to clarify.

Be blessed!
Kate

[MissKate13]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #254]

Hi onewithhim.

You wrote: “God's intentions were that humans would live on the earth forever in paradise conditions. He gave Adam the job of caring for the earth. This will come true in the near future, for God's will cannot be thwarted.”

I’m curious which Scripture says Gods intentions were that humans would live on the earth forever in paradise conditions. If that’s true, then why the promises of eternal heaven?

Can you explain how you know that this will come true in the “near future?”

Hope your day is blessed!
Kate

[EBA]

The definition of hell depends on which of the three Greek terms are in the original language. Is it ade, geennan or Tartarus. Each has a different meaning.

Hell is an English word. I have no problem with it being used in the translations.

Have you looked at the etymology of the word “hell?”
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The problem I have is that it’s a very misunderstood word. It doesn’t always mean “Lake of Fire.”

I know of nowhere in scripture that says hell is the lake of fire.

And it never means “the grave” as some teach.

I agree but “hades” and “sheol' are the state of the unconscious dead "the grave" in that sense.

You might want to look up the Hebrew word “sheol” and see how it’s used in the Old Testament.

You say “The first is “ade.” It is translated hell ten times” which is correct but did you see how many times the word “ade” (G86-hades) is used in the New Testament?

Do a search and let me know what the 11th is.

Peace.

[JehovahsWitness]

And it never means “the grave” as some teach.

I agree but “hades” and “sheol' are the state of the unconscious dead "the grave" in that sense.

So does it mean the grave in that sense, or does it NEVER mean the grave [in any sense]?