God's Actual Name

[jgh7]

I've seen God called by different names. As much as I know, the consonants for his name are given in the OT, but the vowels are missing.

Does anyone here claim to know what the vowels are and thus the proper pronunciation of God's name. Or is it a mystery that will remain unknown?

[Capbook]

Who do you think blindness refers to?

Romans 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.(NKJV)

Fleshly (natural) Jews; the descendants of Abraham.

Correct. That is what I mean.

I'm glad. Now what about answering my question. Could it be that when Paul said the words "all israel" he mean all spiritual Israel rather than all fleshly natural Israël?



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My answer is, to where the word "blindness" mean to? Your answer is my answer.

[JehovahsWitness]

My answer is, to where the word "blindness" mean to? Your answer is my answer.

I dont understand your answer.

[Capbook]

....could Paul not have been refering to spiritual Israel when he said "all israel"?

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So they [Gentiles] are not yet spiritual Israel but I believe they will be.

That's not what I asked, I asked could Paul not have been refering to spiritual Israel rather than natural Israel?

Thus, the verse refer to fleshly Jews.
Romans 11:26
[Shall be saved] Shall be recovered from their rejection; be restored to the divine favor; become followers of the Messiah, and thus be saved as all other Christians are.
(from Barnes' Notes)

Where? don't see verse in question refer to "fleshly Jews" .

Who do you think blindness refers to?

Romans 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.(NKJV)

Fleshly (natural) Jews; the descendants of Abraham.

This reply, what I meant to.

[JehovahsWitness]

This reply, what I meant to.

Yes but I don't understand your answer. Could you answer more clearly.

WhenPajl wrote the woords "all Israel" ...could he not have been refering to spiritual Israel rather than natural Israel?

[Capbook]

This reply, what I meant to.

Yes but I don't understand your answer. Could you answer more clearly.

WhenPajl wrote the woords "all Israel" ...could he not have been refering to spiritual Israel rather than natural Israel?

You've answered my question regarding to who was "blindness' referred to in Romans 11:25.
Your answer was " fleshly Israel".

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes but I don't understand your answer.

You've answered my question regarding to who was "blindness' referred to in Romans 11:25.
Your answer was " fleshly Israel".

Yes " fleshly Israel" were blind and unfaithful so Jehovah chose another Israel to save. Van you see the sketch above?

[Capbook]

Yes but I don't understand your answer.

You've answered my question regarding to who was "blindness' referred to in Romans 11:25.
Your answer was " fleshly Israel".

Yes " fleshly Israel" were blind and unfaithful so Jehovah chose another Israel to save. Van you see the sketch above?

Yes that would be, fleshly Israel will become Spiritual Israel in Romans 11:25-26.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes that would be, fleshly Israel will become Spiritual Israel in Romans 11:25-26.

The words "fleshly Israel will become Spiritual Israel" are NOT in Romans 11:25-26. Le it your habit to try and change scripture?

[Capbook]

Yes but I don't understand your answer.

You've answered my question regarding to who was "blindness' referred to in Romans 11:25.
Your answer was " fleshly Israel".

Yes " fleshly Israel" were blind and unfaithful so Jehovah chose another Israel to save. Van you see the sketch above?

You already answered yes here, referring to blindness of (fleshly Israel) in Romans 11:25.

[JehovahsWitness]

You already answered yes here, referring to blindness of (fleshly Israel) in Romans 11:25.

Yes, exactly fleshly Israel was indeed replaced because if their blindlness. So, when Paul spoke of "all Israel" being saved Paul was referring to the REPLACEMENT , namely "SPIRITUAL Israel"

Conclusion, all spiritual Israel will be saved; all fleshly Israel will not (because of their blindness)


JW