None good but God

[Wootah]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Question: If there are none good but God how can a not good being pay for my sins?

[Wootah]

[Replying to tam in post #210]

You defeated your argument.

Christ Jaheshua- the Holy One of God, the Son of God, the Chosen One of God - is not an animal.

And that agrees with my point, an animal can't pay for sins against humans and not God cannot pay for sins against God.

So this entire passage is talking about how the animal sacrifices were not enough (indeed, God did not want them nor was He pleased with them); but that Christ IS enough - one sacrifice for all time for sins. He is our High Priest, that He sits at the right hand of God.

Given that you agree with the Bible that animals are not enough and that Christ is enough, why do you think Jesus (not God) is enough to pay for sins against God when you understand that a goat (which is not God also) cannot pay for sins against God?

I mean it really feels like if the Bible said that all you need to do is stand on your head and your sins are forgiven you would be linking to that verse and calling it an argument, rational and your argument. The Bible is not so irrational as to ask us to believe a verse and not understand it. Or in a school test, if the child gives the right answer but does not explain their reasoning they do not get full marks. Explaining the reasoning is being asked, not quotes from the Bible which we agree on.

[tam]

Peace to you,

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quote=Wootah post_id=1149826 time=1716158305 user_id=6289]
[Replying to tam in post #210]

You defeated your argument.

Christ Jaheshua- the Holy One of God, the Son of God, the Chosen One of God - is not an animal.

And that agrees with my point, an animal can't pay for sins against humans and not God cannot pay for sins against God.

I thought you said all sin was a sin against God? Why all of a sudden were the sins of Israel, sins against humans?


Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Wootah]

Peace to you,

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quote=Wootah post_id=1149826 time=1716158305 user_id=6289]
[Replying to tam in post #210]

You defeated your argument.

Christ Jaheshua- the Holy One of God, the Son of God, the Chosen One of God - is not an animal.

And that agrees with my point, an animal can't pay for sins against humans and not God cannot pay for sins against God.

I thought you said all sin was a sin against God? Why all of a sudden were the sins of Israel, sins against humans?


Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

I did say all sin is against God. Animals can't pay for our sins permanently. I am saying" Since you can observe that a goat can't pay for sins permanently - why?"

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

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quote=Wootah post_id=1149826 time=1716158305 user_id=6289]
[Replying to tam in post #210]

You defeated your argument.

Christ Jaheshua- the Holy One of God, the Son of God, the Chosen One of God - is not an animal.

And that agrees with my point, an animal can't pay for sins against humans and not God cannot pay for sins against God.

I thought you said all sin was a sin against God? Why all of a sudden were the sins of Israel, sins against humans?


Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

I did say all sin is against God.

Then why did you change this when speaking about animal sacrifices from Israel?

The Hebrews passage is clear that animals could not make people clean - but Christ COULD and DID.

Animals can't pay for our sins permanently. I am saying" Since you can observe that a goat can't pay for sins permanently - why?"

Christ is not a goat.

This has nothing to do with 'animals can't pay for sins against humans.' Even a mere human could not pay for sins against humans. But Christ is no mere human; He is the LIFE, the Spirit, the only begotten Son and Holy One of God.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Wootah]

[Replying to tam in post #214]

Whatever you think Christ is is less than what is required and dishonours Christ, who is God.

Unless you intend to argue your view what are we debating?

We both agree the Bible is true.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #214]

Whatever you think Christ is is less than what is required

Says who, Wootah?

How do you know what is or is not required?

Please provide some support from Christ for what you claim is required.

and dishonours Christ, who is God.

How can I dishonor Christ by believing and stating what HE has said about Himself? By believing what God has said about Him?

Unless you intend to argue your view what are we debating?

I have supported what I have shared with what Christ teaches; I have referred you also to Hebrews specifically, since the author speaks of Christ being the sacrifice for sins. Christ is enough as the only begotten Son of God, to pay for sins < - that is supported by what is written.

But you do not accept that. You have added a condition that Christ did not teach. That the apostles also did not teach. You have presented a problem that simply does not exist. No one wrote that 'only God can pay for sins against God', and you must know that no one wrote about it because you have been unable to provide support when I have asked you for it.

Why is that not a red flag for you?

We can also move past the whole 'sins against God require a greater sacrifice', because you believe all sins are sins against God. Therefore, sin is simply sin; therefore, Christ can and did pay for our sins. He does not have to be [YHWH] for this to be true. He simply has to be who He is (who He said He is): the SON of God and the LIFE.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Wootah]

[Replying to tam in post #216]

No one wrote that 'only God can pay for sins against God'

OK tell me a situation in real life where less than the payment owed is sufficient.

If I owe you $50 I need to pay you $50. I can't give you a leaf.

If Bill owes Mary a cow Bill can't give Mary a duck.

Give me a situation where the world accepts less.

Since there is none, why do you expect God to accept less?

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #216]

No one wrote that 'only God can pay for sins against God'

OK tell me a situation in real life where less than the payment owed is sufficient.

Your question is based on an assumption that Christ is not sufficient.

Your assumption is incorrect.


Peace again.

[William]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Question: If there are none good but God how can a not good being pay for my sins?

The same is attributed with saying Matthew 5:48.

Perhaps it is a case of loss in translation. Perhaps it is just the way mystics say things.

Are your particular sins such, that only a good being can pay for them?

Perhaps your question is simply a quibble...

[Wootah]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #216]

No one wrote that 'only God can pay for sins against God'

OK tell me a situation in real life where less than the payment owed is sufficient.

Your question is based on an assumption that Christ is not sufficient.

Your assumption is incorrect.


Peace again.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Question: If there are none good but God how can a not good being pay for my sins?

The same is attributed with saying Matthew 5:48.

Perhaps it is a case of loss in translation. Perhaps it is just the way mystics say things.

Are your particular sins such, that only a good being can pay for them?

Perhaps your question is simply a quibble...

I fear the quibbles and dots and tiddles are a matter of eternity.

If Jesus is not good how in heaven and earth can he pay for anything, especially against God?