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Hi all,

Here is a good talk on Joshua 5:

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13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[e] have for his servant?”

15 The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.
Would Joshua bow down to not God? Don't angels say hey stop worshipping me if they are not God? Why was Joshua commanded to take off his sandals (think back to Moses)?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 11:21 pm https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[e] have for his servant?”

15 The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.
Would Joshua bow down to not God? Don't angels say hey stop worshipping me if they are not God? Why was Joshua commanded to take off his sandals (think back to Moses)?
Could it be that what Joshua did was not actually worshiping?
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1213 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 4:34 am
Wootah wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 11:21 pm https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[e] have for his servant?”

15 The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.
Would Joshua bow down to not God? Don't angels say hey stop worshipping me if they are not God? Why was Joshua commanded to take off his sandals (think back to Moses)?
Could it be that what Joshua did was not actually worshiping?
Well what about the parallel to Moses?
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Wootah wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 7:33 am Well what about the parallel to Moses?
Sorry, I am not sure, what do you mean with parallel to Moses?
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[Replying to 1213 in post #4]
Exodus 3:5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father,[a] the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.:
Who commands the army other than God?
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In bible times (as is the case today) bowing is not necessarily an act of worship. I can simply be a gesture of profound respect and submission.

ABRAHAM AND EPHRON
GENESIS 23:12, 13

In the presence of the sons of my people, I give it to you. Bury your dead.” 12 At that Abraham bowed down before the people of the land 13 and spoke to Eʹphron in the hearing of the people, saying: “Listen to me, if you will! I will give you the full amount of silver for the field. Take it from me, in order that I may bury my dead there.”
ISAAC'S BLESSING
GENESIS 27:29

Let peoples serve you, and let nations bow low to you. Be master over your brothers, and let the sons of your mother bow low to you [ISAAC]. Cursed be everyone who curses you, and blessed be everyone who blesses you

JACOB' S FAMILY MEET ESAU
GENESIS 33:29
At that the female servants came forward with their children and bowed down, 7 and Leah too came forward with her children, and they bowed down. Then Joseph came forward with Rachel, and they bowed down

AHIMAAZ BEFORE KING DAVID
2 SAMUEL 18:28a
A·himʹa·az then called out to the king: “All is well!” With that he bowed to the king with his face to the ground. ...
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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #6]

Ok now how about address the topic?
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Wootah wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 8:14 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #6]

Ok now how about address the topic?
As Barne's Notes refers the Captain of the host of the Lord as "Divine Person'. I believe it is Jesus.
As Jesus said in John 5:37 that we never heard the voice of the Father nor seen His form.

Joshua 5:14
And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

[Captain of the host of the LORD] i.e. of the angelic host, the host of heaven (compare 1 Kings 22:19; 1 Sam 1:3, etc.). The armed people of Israel are never called "the host of the Lord," though once spoken of in Ex 12:41 as "all the hosts of the Lord." The Divine Person intimates that He, the Prince (see the marginal references) of the Angels had come to lead Israel in the coming strife, and to overthrow by heavenly might the armies and the strongholds of God's and Israel's enemies.
(from Barnes' Notes, Electronic Database Copyright © 1997, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

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Wootah wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 11:21 pm
Would Joshua bow down to not God?
YES
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 12:54 pm In bible times (as is the case today) bowing is not necessarily an act of worship. I can simply be a gesture of profound respect and submission.

ABRAHAM AND EPHRON
GENESIS 23:12, 13

In the presence of the sons of my people, I give it to you. Bury your dead.” 12 At that Abraham bowed down before the people of the land 13 and spoke to Eʹphron in the hearing of the people, saying: “Listen to me, if you will! I will give you the full amount of silver for the field. Take it from me, in order that I may bury my dead there.”
ISAAC'S BLESSING
GENESIS 27:29

Let peoples serve you, and let nations bow low to you. Be master over your brothers, and let the sons of your mother bow low to you [ISAAC]. Cursed be everyone who curses you, and blessed be everyone who blesses you

JACOB' S FAMILY MEET ESAU
GENESIS 33:29
At that the female servants came forward with their children and bowed down, 7 and Leah too came forward with her children, and they bowed down. Then Joseph came forward with Rachel, and they bowed down

AHIMAAZ BEFORE KING DAVID
2 SAMUEL 18:28a
A·himʹa·az then called out to the king: “All is well!” With that he bowed to the king with his face to the ground. ...
Wootah wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 11:21 pm Don't angels say hey stop worshipping me if they are not God?

Joshua was not worshipping (see above)

Wootah wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 11:21 pm Why was Joshua commanded to take off his sandals (think back to Moses)?
A a sign he was on holy ground.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:00 am
Wootah wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 11:21 pm
Would Joshua bow down to not God?
YES
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 12:54 pm In bible times (as is the case today) bowing is not necessarily an act of worship. I can simply be a gesture of profound respect and submission.

ABRAHAM AND EPHRON
GENESIS 23:12, 13

In the presence of the sons of my people, I give it to you. Bury your dead.” 12 At that Abraham bowed down before the people of the land 13 and spoke to Eʹphron in the hearing of the people, saying: “Listen to me, if you will! I will give you the full amount of silver for the field. Take it from me, in order that I may bury my dead there.”
ISAAC'S BLESSING
GENESIS 27:29

Let peoples serve you, and let nations bow low to you. Be master over your brothers, and let the sons of your mother bow low to you [ISAAC]. Cursed be everyone who curses you, and blessed be everyone who blesses you

JACOB' S FAMILY MEET ESAU
GENESIS 33:29
At that the female servants came forward with their children and bowed down, 7 and Leah too came forward with her children, and they bowed down. Then Joseph came forward with Rachel, and they bowed down

AHIMAAZ BEFORE KING DAVID
2 SAMUEL 18:28a
A·himʹa·az then called out to the king: “All is well!” With that he bowed to the king with his face to the ground. ...
Wootah wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 11:21 pm Don't angels say hey stop worshipping me if they are not God?

Joshua was not worshipping (see above)

Wootah wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 11:21 pm Why was Joshua commanded to take off his sandals (think back to Moses)?
A a sign he was on holy ground.

Clarke interpret Joshua's bow as divine worship to the captain of the host of the LORD.

Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

[But as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come.] By this saying Joshua was both encouraged and instructed. As if he had said, "Fear not; Yahweh hath sent from heaven to save thee and thy people from the reproach of them that would swallow thee up. Israel is the Lord's host; and the Lord of hosts is Israel's Captain. Thou thyself shalt only be captain under me, and I am now about to instruct thee relative to thy conduct in this war."

[And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship] Nor was he reprehended for offering divine worship to this person, which he would not have received had he been a created angel. See Rev 22:8-9.
(from Adam Clarke's Commentary)

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