The thief on the cross misconceptions

[DJT_47]

I continually encounter people trying to justify that baptism is not an absolute necessity for one's salvation by use (erroneously) of the thief on the cross as justification, as he was not baptized but yet saved by the Lord, which is true! BUT, the error in this is the lack of understanding of the scriptures. You must read and understand Hebrews 9:15-17 which clarifies why the thief on the cross was saved by Jesus without being baptized. Christ was still alive when this occurred meaning it was done while the old testament or covenant was still in effect; the new testament had not yet been established because Christ had not yet died. And since the Lord was still alive no one could possibly be baptized into Christ under NT salvation criteria. Baptism did not become a requirement as part of salvation until the new testament began which was after the death of Christ. Jesus forgave the thief on the cross no different than he forgave others during his earthly ministry, such as the woman caught in the act of adultery as recorded in John 8. Baptism should not even be an issue when discussing the thief on the cross, but unfortunately always is, but in error.

Hebrews 9:15-17

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

[bob the baptist]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #49]

Ahh! it was post #37. John explains what Jesus was teaching Nicodemus about the Feast of the Tabernacles. John 3 thru John 7 occurred during Feast. Nicodemus was there.

[bob the baptist]

[Replying to MissKate13 in post #48]
Yes, Thanks MissKate13

[SiNcE_1985]

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No.

You do not need to be baptized in order to become saved.

Baptism is something you after you become saved...but it is nothing something you do to become saved.

It is important to know the difference.

[MissKate13]

[MissKate13]

[bob the baptist]

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #49]

Ahh! it was post #37. John explains what Jesus was teaching Nicodemus about the Feast of the Tabernacles. John 3 thru John 7 occurred during Feast. Nicodemus was there.

I'm sorry I still don't understand what you believe being "born [again] of water" means... could you write a sentence along the lines of ": To be born again of water means ...{fill in the black with a few words}

[bob the baptist]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #49]

Ahh! it was post #37. John explains what Jesus was teaching Nicodemus about the Feast of the Tabernacles. John 3 thru John 7 occurred during Feast. Nicodemus was there.

I'm sorry I still don't understand what you believe being "born [again] of water" means... could you write a sentence along the lines of ": To be born again of water means ...{fill in the black with a few words}

If you will open up a debate on your question, I will gladly post what Jesus preached and Paul clarifies at the Feast of Tabernacles in the book of John. Your NW translation of the bible being different, I'm not sure you will agree, but I'll hang with ya until you've had enough of me...

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #49]

Ahh! it was post #37. John explains what Jesus was teaching Nicodemus about the Feast of the Tabernacles. John 3 thru John 7 occurred during Feast. Nicodemus was there.

I'm sorry I still don't understand what you believe being "born [again] of water" means... could you write a sentence along the lines of ": To be born again of water means ...{fill in the black with a few words}

If you will open up a debate on your question, I will gladly post what Jesus preached and Paul clarifies at the Feast of Tabernacles in the book of John. Your NW translation of the bible being different, I'm not sure you will agree, but I'll hang with ya until you've had enough of me...

Thanks for your response; that's much clearer. Interesting and informative,


JW

[MissKate13]