THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

[Eddie Ramos]

It's interesting that this is another widely held doctrine by Christians, yet no one has ever put forth an actual age from the scriptures where children are not accountable for their sins. The fact is that when God looks at a human being, he looks at their heart and sees either righteousness or unrighteousness. If righteousness, then that means that Christ's atoning work has been applied to your life. At which point he has given that person a new and perfect heart that is free from sin, and has raised their dead soul to eternal life. If God sees unrighteousness in their heart, then it means that Christ's atoning work has not (or not yet) been applied to that individual and that individual is still in his or her sins. This applies from the moment of conception.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV 1900)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me.

Can something conceived in sin be pure and clean in the eyes of God? The Bible says, no.

Job 14:4 (KJV 1900)
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

So, how does God view a child conceived and still unsaved? The same way he views a grown up who is still unsaved, as wicked.

Psalm 58:3 (KJV 1900)
The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Most will say, "babies can't speak, so this can't be referring to babies". Yet this is parabolic language (as is the whole Bible) which is speaking of the spiritual condition (as viewed by God) of mankind who was yet in his sins.

When the Bible as a whole is taken into acount, it absolutely contradicts and therefore rejects such doctrine of any age of accountability. But why then was it invented? Because it was build upon another false doctrine, the free will doctrine which states that a person must make an informed choice if he is going to accept Christ. And since babies can't do that, they had to find a way to make them exempt. But this goes to show what happpens when someone tries to build upon a crooked foundation, everything else they build on that foundation will also be crooked.

My question for anyone who hold to this doctrine is, can you show me how the scriptures you use to support such doctrine agree witht he above Bible verses provided? Because if we isolate passages from the Bible as a whole, then we can make them say anything we want.

[2timothy316]

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."
James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

This is really getting sad.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Have you ever read the entire Bible from page 1 to the last Page?

Yes I have. Have you? I agree, this is getting really sad. You insist on not recognizing the many Scriptures that have been presented to you showing that demons are not immortal. And for some reason you refuse to notice that the book of the Revelation is almost all symbolic. The devil and his demons will actually DIE; they won't be alive somewhere toasting in a fiery lake. The lake of fire is exactly the same as "Gehenna." Both symbolize the total destruction of the wicked.

I hope the people who read your posts are reading ALL of the posts here so they can draw their conclusions as to what sounds true to them. Your ideas are way out in left field, and I am running from third base. Jesus is telling me to run home.

He has failed to provide a single scripture that says demons are immortal. He has talked about his dogma but has no scriptural proof that his dogma is correct. He tried using proof-texting and cherry picking scripture out of context but only novice Bible readers fall for those tricks.

[myth-one.com]

He has failed to provide a single scripture that says demons are immortal.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)


Immortal: Living for ever and ever.

[2timothy316]

He has failed to provide a single scripture that says demons are immortal.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)


Immortal: Living for ever and ever.

The word immortal isn't used with the connection to the lake of fire, do you know what word is? DEATH.
"This means the second death, the lake of fire." - Rev 20:14

Do you accept Revelation 20:14 as true? Only give a yes or no answer. If you don't then your argument is exposed and is flat and defeated. Because were you're trying to imply immortality with proof-texting. Im showing a scripture that says the lake of fire = death. The VERY place that you are showing the Devil is going.

[myth-one.com]

He has failed to provide a single scripture that says demons are immortal.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)


Immortal: Living for ever and ever.

The word immortal isn't used with the connection to the lake of fire, do you know what word is? DEATH.

Nothing in Revelation 20:10 has to do with death. The phrase "day and night for ever and ever" refers to how long the devil will be tormented in the lake of fire. To be tormented in the lake of fire forever, the devil needs to be alive in the lake of fire forever. And if the devil will be alive in the lake forever, then he must be alive forever, or immortal!

"This means the second death, the lake of fire." - Rev 20:14

Do you accept Revelation 20:14 as true? Only give a yes or no answer.

Yes.

If you don't then your argument is exposed and is flat and defeated. Because were you're trying to imply immortality with proof-texting. Im showing a scripture that says the lake of fire = death. The VERY place that you are showing the Devil is going.

The fate of humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life is to be cast into the lake of fire and suffer their second and everlasting death:

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)

So the lake of fire means death for nonbelievers.

But being a spiritual bodied being, the devil can play or swim in the lake if he so desires because he is an immortal spirit like God and will be in the lake eternally!

[2timothy316]

He has failed to provide a single scripture that says demons are immortal.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)


Immortal: Living for ever and ever.

The word immortal isn't used with the connection to the lake of fire, do you know what word is? DEATH.

Nothing in Revelation 20:10 has to do with death. The phrase "day and night for ever and ever" refers to how long the devil will be tormented in the lake of fire. To be tormented in the lake of fire forever, the devil needs to be alive in the lake of fire forever. And if the devil will be alive in the lake forever, then he must be alive forever, or immortal!

"This means the second death, the lake of fire." - Rev 20:14

Do you accept Revelation 20:14 as true? Only give a yes or no answer.

Yes.

If you don't then your argument is exposed and is flat and defeated. Because were you're trying to imply immortality with proof-texting. Im showing a scripture that says the lake of fire = death. The VERY place that you are showing the Devil is going.

The fate of humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life is to be cast into the lake of fire and suffer their second and everlasting death:

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)

So the lake of fire means death for nonbelievers.

But being a spiritual bodied being, the devil can play or swim in the lake if he so desires because he is an immortal spirit like God and will be in the lake eternally!

You're adding words to the Bible. I doesn't say anyone lives in the lake of fire. It also says the lake of fire MEANS 2nd death. The Bible doesn't add 'but spirits don't die', these are your words not God's words. It says it means the 2nd death, period. The word nonbelievers doesn't appear in the scripture, it says those not in the book of life, are you saying that the Devil is in the book of life? He can't both be in a place that means death and in the book of life too.

So what book is the Devil in? By what you say you don't believe Rev 20:14 is true. Because it says death, yet you say, not the Bible says but YOU say, some don't die. This dogma you present is highly contradictory.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #95]


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil will be cast into the lake of fire and be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #95]


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil will be cast into the lake of fire and be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

"This means the second death, the lake of fire." - Rev 20:14
The Devil is dead forever and ever.
Repeat yourself again and I will put you on my ignore list forever and I will never respond to you again for the rest of your life.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #95]


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil will be cast into the lake of fire and be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

"This means the second death, the lake of fire." - Rev 20:14
The Devil is dead forever and ever.
Repeat yourself again and I will put you on my ignore list forever and I will never respond to you again for the rest of your life.

And when did the Devil suffer his first death?

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #95]


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil will be cast into the lake of fire and be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

"This means the second death, the lake of fire." - Rev 20:14
The Devil is dead forever and ever.
Repeat yourself again and I will put you on my ignore list forever and I will never respond to you again for the rest of your life.

And when did the Devil suffer his first death?

"And death and the Grave* were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire."

When did death or the grave suffer its first death?

This is going to require some critical thinking on our part and paying close attention to the scriptures. Since death dying even once or even twice makes zero since, 2nd must mean different a type of death, separate from the 1st type, that being Adamic death. The difference is that with Admic death a person can be returned to live. "the Grave gave up the dead in them" Rev 20:13.<<<<This is the 1st type of death.

However, anything sentenced to the 2nd death, be it the a symbolic representation of world governments and false religion as in Rev 20:10, or a person or spirit creature that is sentenced to the second death there is no return.

Compare the two scriptures closely below showing the final destination for death.

1 Corinthians 15:26, "And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing."
Compared with...
Revelation 20:14, "And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire."

This can only mean that anything tossed into the lake of fire or the 2nd type of death is brought to nothing. If death's final fate is to be brought to nothing in the lake of fire and Satan's fate is to be tossed into the lake of fire too, it makes no since that Satan continues to live some how when the lake of fire for the first type of death means to be brought to nothing. This can only mean that Satan, like the grave and the first type of death, is brought to nothing. There is no return EVER from the 2nd death.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #95]


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil will be cast into the lake of fire and be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

"This means the second death, the lake of fire." - Rev 20:14
The Devil is dead forever and ever.
Repeat yourself again and I will put you on my ignore list forever and I will never respond to you again for the rest of your life.

And when did the Devil suffer his first death?

"And death and the Grave* were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire."

When did death or the grave suffer its first death?

This is going to require some critical thinking on our part and paying close attention to the scriptures. Since death dying even once or even twice makes zero since, 2nd must mean different a type of death, separate from the 1st type, that being Adamic death. The difference is that with Admic death a person can be returned to live. "the Grave gave up the dead in them" Rev 20:13.<<<<This is the 1st type of death.

However, anything sentenced to the 2nd death, be it the a symbolic representation of world governments and false religion as in Rev 20:10, or a person or spirit creature that is sentenced to the second death there is no return.

Compare the two scriptures closely below showing the final destination for death.

1 Corinthians 15:26, "And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing."
Compared with...
Revelation 20:14, "And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire."

This can only mean that anything tossed into the lake of fire or the 2nd type of death is brought to nothing. If death's final fate is to be brought to nothing in the lake of fire and Satan's fate is to be tossed into the lake of fire too, it makes no since that Satan continues to live some how when the lake of fire for the first type of death means to be brought to nothing. This can only mean that Satan, like the grave and the first type of death, is brought to nothing. There is no return EVER from the 2nd death.

Do you believe that God can make beings which have everlasting life? (yes or no)