THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

[Eddie Ramos]

It's interesting that this is another widely held doctrine by Christians, yet no one has ever put forth an actual age from the scriptures where children are not accountable for their sins. The fact is that when God looks at a human being, he looks at their heart and sees either righteousness or unrighteousness. If righteousness, then that means that Christ's atoning work has been applied to your life. At which point he has given that person a new and perfect heart that is free from sin, and has raised their dead soul to eternal life. If God sees unrighteousness in their heart, then it means that Christ's atoning work has not (or not yet) been applied to that individual and that individual is still in his or her sins. This applies from the moment of conception.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV 1900)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me.

Can something conceived in sin be pure and clean in the eyes of God? The Bible says, no.

Job 14:4 (KJV 1900)
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

So, how does God view a child conceived and still unsaved? The same way he views a grown up who is still unsaved, as wicked.

Psalm 58:3 (KJV 1900)
The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Most will say, "babies can't speak, so this can't be referring to babies". Yet this is parabolic language (as is the whole Bible) which is speaking of the spiritual condition (as viewed by God) of mankind who was yet in his sins.

When the Bible as a whole is taken into acount, it absolutely contradicts and therefore rejects such doctrine of any age of accountability. But why then was it invented? Because it was build upon another false doctrine, the free will doctrine which states that a person must make an informed choice if he is going to accept Christ. And since babies can't do that, they had to find a way to make them exempt. But this goes to show what happpens when someone tries to build upon a crooked foundation, everything else they build on that foundation will also be crooked.

My question for anyone who hold to this doctrine is, can you show me how the scriptures you use to support such doctrine agree witht he above Bible verses provided? Because if we isolate passages from the Bible as a whole, then we can make them say anything we want.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #69]

In other scriptures it is plain that believers have to DO something, to live up to their belief.

"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16, NASB)

That's a good idea.

"In every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him." (Acts 10:35, NASB)

That's true. Likewise, the man who fears Him and chews gum is probably welcome to Him also.

"So, then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." (Acts 26:19,20, NIV)

So believers must prove their belief and repentance by their works.

The apostle Paul does not make the commandments. God makes them.

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But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:20)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

"Whosoever" includes vain men without works. So the vain man shall have everlasting life.

But his faith ends with him and produces no additional converts because he does no works to those ends.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #69]

In other scriptures it is plain that believers have to DO something, to live up to their belief.

"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16, NASB)

That's a good idea.

"In every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him." (Acts 10:35, NASB)

That's true. Likewise, the man who fears Him and chews gum is probably welcome to Him also.

"So, then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." (Acts 26:19,20, NIV)

So believers must prove their belief and repentance by their works.

The apostle Paul does not make the commandments. God makes them.

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But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:20)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

"Whosoever" includes vain men without works. So the vain man shall have everlasting life.

But his faith ends with him and produces no additional converts because he does no works to those ends.

And God inspired Paul to write what he wrote, as He did all the Bible's books, including James.

"Are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?" (James 2:20, NASB)

[myth-one.com]

And God inspired Paul to write what he wrote, as He did all the Bible's books, including James.

"Are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?" (James 2:20, NASB)

If the "foolish fellow" believes in Jesus, will the foolish fellow's name be written in the Book of Life?

[onewithhim]

And God inspired Paul to write what he wrote, as He did all the Bible's books, including James.

"Are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?" (James 2:20, NASB)

If the "foolish fellow" believes in Jesus, will the foolish fellow's name be written in the Book of Life?

No, not unless he ACTS on his belief. "The DEMONS believe and yet shudder." (James 2) So it is clear that salvation takes more than belief. Do you think that the demons will be written in the book of life?

[myth-one.com]

And God inspired Paul to write what he wrote, as He did all the Bible's books, including James.

"Are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?" (James 2:20, NASB)

If the "foolish fellow" believes in Jesus, will the foolish fellow's name be written in the Book of Life?

No, not unless he ACTS on his belief. "The DEMONS believe and yet shudder." (James 2) So it is clear that salvation takes more than belief. Do you think that the demons will be written in the book of life?

How many acts does the "foolish fellow" have to perform to purchase his salvation.

ACTS is plural, so is two sufficient legally?

And the New Testament Covenant is between God and mankind. Demons cannot participate under that document.

But aren't DEMONS immortal already?

[onewithhim]

And God inspired Paul to write what he wrote, as He did all the Bible's books, including James.

"Are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?" (James 2:20, NASB)

If the "foolish fellow" believes in Jesus, will the foolish fellow's name be written in the Book of Life?

No, not unless he ACTS on his belief. "The DEMONS believe and yet shudder." (James 2) So it is clear that salvation takes more than belief. Do you think that the demons will be written in the book of life?

How many acts does the "foolish fellow" have to perform to purchase his salvation.

ACTS is plural, so is two sufficient legally?

And the New Testament Covenant is between God and mankind. Demons cannot participate under that document.

But aren't DEMONS immortal already?

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."

No one can earn their way to salvation. That is why Jesus died---so that we might live. But we must first accept his sacrifice.....THEN we do works befitting repentance, according to Jesus' instructions. There must be BOTH, acceptance of Jesus AND works in line with Christian principles.

James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

[myth-one.com]

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."
James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

This is really getting sad.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Have you ever read the entire Bible from page 1 to the last Page?

[2timothy316]

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."
James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

This is really getting sad.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Have you ever read the entire Bible from page 1 to the last Page?

I have read the Bible so many times I've lost count. Do you read the Bible or study the Bible?
If you did study it then you'd know that much of Revelation is written in symbolic language. If you think Rev 20:10 is being literal then I guess you believe there is a 'beast' walking on the earth with multiple heads, with different body parts of other animals all stitched together. I also guess you think that death is a person? Do you believe there is a grim reaper walking the earth? Because death is going into the lake of fire forever too.

[myth-one.com]

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."
James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

This is really getting sad.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Have you ever read the entire Bible from page 1 to the last Page?

I have read the Bible so many times I've lost count. Do you read the Bible or study the Bible?
If you did study it then you'd know that much of Revelation is written in symbolic language. If you think Rev 20:10 is being literal then I guess you believe there is a 'beast' walking on the earth with multiple heads, with different body parts of other animals all stitched together. I also guess you think that death is a person? Do you believe there is a grim reaper walking the earth? Because death is going into the lake of fire forever too.

When the last living human whose name is not written in the Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire and dies, death and hell ( meaning death and the grave ) will be dead or extinct, as there will be no more living humans to die or be buried.

How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

[2timothy316]

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."
James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

This is really getting sad.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Have you ever read the entire Bible from page 1 to the last Page?

I have read the Bible so many times I've lost count. Do you read the Bible or study the Bible?
If you did study it then you'd know that much of Revelation is written in symbolic language. If you think Rev 20:10 is being literal then I guess you believe there is a 'beast' walking on the earth with multiple heads, with different body parts of other animals all stitched together. I also guess you think that death is a person? Do you believe there is a grim reaper walking the earth? Because death is going into the lake of fire forever too.

When the last living human whose name is not written in the Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire and dies, death and hell ( meaning death and the grave ) will be dead or extinct, as there will be no more living humans to die or be buried.

How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

So you do get the concept that Rev 20:10 isn't a literal place were people actually go. Thus the Devil and his demons are going to place where things like death and the grave are are made, in your words, extinct. This means demons are not immortal.