A QUESTION FOR ANYONE WHO HOLDS TO FREE WILL UNTO SALVATION

[Eddie Ramos]

[onewithhim]

[Eddie Ramos]

[onewithhim]

[Eddie Ramos]

[onewithhim]

There is nothing in the Scriptures that leads us to believe that God commands us to believe and doesn't allow for our own thoughts and goals.

If our various discussions remain consistent, then you may remain insistent on your position even when I show you that the Bible disagrees with your assesment. God most assuredly commands everyone to believe in him. It's not a suggestion, it's not a plea. To believe in Jesus Christ is a command.

Yes to believe in Jesus is a command. We can take it or leave it. It's up to each one of us. If we ignore His command, the outcome is death.

[Eddie Ramos]

There is nothing in the Scriptures that leads us to believe that God commands us to believe and doesn't allow for our own thoughts and goals.

If our various discussions remain consistent, then you may remain insistent on your position even when I show you that the Bible disagrees with your assesment. God most assuredly commands everyone to believe in him. It's not a suggestion, it's not a plea. To believe in Jesus Christ is a command.

Yes to believe in Jesus is a command. We can take it or leave it. It's up to each one of us. If we ignore His command, the outcome is death.

Now that you have e acknowledged that to believe in Jesus is a commandment, I'd like to show you some verses and then ask you a question.

Galatians 2:16 (KJV)
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Titus 3:5-7 (KJV)
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

My question is, how can believing save you since it is a commandment and obedience to ANY commandment is a work of righteousness (a work of the law).

So, for anyone thinking he/she has been justified (made righteous) by exercising obedience to a law, now you have obligated yourself to keep the whole law perfectly.

Galatians 5:4 (KJV)
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

This means that if anyone trusts in the work of righteousness they have done for salvation , that they have rejected God's grace.

James 2:10 (KJV)
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

In other words, salvation was either by grace through the faith OF Jesus Christ alone, or it was by the keeping of the whole law perfectly. And no sin cursed man could ever keep the law perfectly.

This is why believing in Jesus Christ was done because God had already saved us and never to become saved. We were saved unto good works (like believing).

This is precisely why God has given us examples in the Bible of people taking it upon themselves to "believe in Jesus" and yet that did not save them.

[onewithhim]

There is nothing in the Scriptures that leads us to believe that God commands us to believe and doesn't allow for our own thoughts and goals.

If our various discussions remain consistent, then you may remain insistent on your position even when I show you that the Bible disagrees with your assesment. God most assuredly commands everyone to believe in him. It's not a suggestion, it's not a plea. To believe in Jesus Christ is a command.

Yes to believe in Jesus is a command. We can take it or leave it. It's up to each one of us. If we ignore His command, the outcome is death.

Now that you have e acknowledged that to believe in Jesus is a commandment, I'd like to show you some verses and then ask you a question.

Galatians 2:16 (KJV)
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Titus 3:5-7 (KJV)
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

My question is, how can believing save you since it is a commandment and obedience to ANY commandment is a work of righteousness (a work of the law).

So, for anyone thinking he/she has been justified (made righteous) by exercising obedience to a law, now you have obligated yourself to keep the whole law perfectly.

Galatians 5:4 (KJV)
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

This means that if anyone trusts in the work of righteousness they have done for salvation , that they have rejected God's grace.

James 2:10 (KJV)
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

In other words, salvation was either by grace through the faith OF Jesus Christ alone, or it was by the keeping of the whole law perfectly. And no sin cursed man could ever keep the law perfectly.

This is why believing in Jesus Christ was done because God had already saved us and never to become saved. We were saved unto good works (like believing).

This is precisely why God has given us examples in the Bible of people taking it upon themselves to "believe in Jesus" and yet that did not save them.

"Believing" denotes some kind of ACTION. The Scripture says "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16, KJV) When we believe, we have taken action within us to DECIDE that we do believe in Jesus. It is up to us to accept Jesus, and if we do not we will perish.

[Eddie Ramos]

[Revelations won]

To all respondents,

I wonder if "Free will" would be better understood or expressed as "Free agency".

Yea all had the God given "agency" in heaven as spirit children of God to follow either Lucifers plan or the Fathers plan before we were sent to this earth to work out our salvation.

In the garden of eden God the Father gave instructions to Adam in the garden and added "nevertheless thou mayest chose for thyself." In other words this mighty principle of agency was reaffirmed to Adam in the garden.

All mankind have the God given power of agency. We are all free to chose, but we are not free to chose the consequences.

'Kind regards,
RW

[myth-one.com]

"Believing" denotes some kind of ACTION.

The action you speak of is the keeping of a commandment, yet the scriptures tell us that no man is justified by the works of the law.

Where is believing in Jesus ever described as a commandment?