Us

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In Genesis 1:26 one reads

"26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

What I get from this is that making man wasn't a solo task, but a cooperative effort of god and, at a minimum, someone/thing else. So, who is this us, and our, and what's the reason for your choice?

Secondary question: being the almighty god he is said to be, why do you think he needed help in making man?

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[Miles]

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In Genesis 1:26 one reads

"26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

What I get from this is that making man wasn't a solo task, but a cooperative effort of god and, at a minimum, someone/thing else. So, who is this us, and our, and what's the reason for your choice?

Secondary question: being the almighty god he is said to be, why do you think he needed help in making man?

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Most Christian scholars view this a pre-Trinitarian language. This verse doesn’t get us all the way to the Trinity, but it hints at the idea of a plurality in God’s nature.

There is nothing in the text to suggest that God involved others in His work of creation.

Then what do you think "Let us make man in our image" means? If someone came up to you and said "How about we make bread" what do you think they wanted you to do?

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As I said, I think that this is proto-Trinitarian language. God – the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit; one God existing in three persons – said, “Let us make man in our image.” God was referring to himself as the one God who created everything and establishing that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in creation and are the imagine that men and women are made in.

And that's 1 for the trinity. Okay.

[1213]

Then why ask them to participate?

Maybe it was more fun that way?

[Ross]

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In Genesis 1:26 one reads

"26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

What I get from this is that making man wasn't a solo task, but a cooperative effort of god and, at a minimum, someone/thing else. So, who is this us, and our, and what's the reason for your choice?

Secondary question: being the almighty god he is said to be, why do you think he needed help in making man?

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The prologue of John explains Genesis chapter one
John 1:1 reveals that the Word 'was' at creation, meaning he existed before creation.
John 1:3 reveals that nothing that was created was created without the Word.
John 1:1 reveals that the Word was God

So God the Father and God the Word.

In my recent thread, Genesis 1:2 reveals another involved in creation, 'The Spirit of God' which some attempt to hide with dodgy and devious translation.

This is undeniably the 'us' you refer to if one believes in a Trinity or not.

There is one Almighty God, one being. But all three compose Almighty God.

[Miles]

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In Genesis 1:26 one reads

"26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

What I get from this is that making man wasn't a solo task, but a cooperative effort of god and, at a minimum, someone/thing else. So, who is this us, and our, and what's the reason for your choice?

Secondary question: being the almighty god he is said to be, why do you think he needed help in making man?

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The prologue of John explains Genesis chapter one
John 1:1 reveals that the Word 'was' at creation, meaning he existed before creation.
John 1:3 reveals that nothing that was created was created without the Word.
John 1:1 reveals that the Word was God

So God the Father and God the Word.

Sorry, but I didn't see any mention of "god the father" in either John 1:1 or John 1:3.

In my recent thread, Genesis 1:2 reveals another involved in creation, 'The Spirit of God' which some attempt to hide with dodgy and devious translation.

This is undeniably the 'us' you refer to if one believes in a Trinity or not.

So the "us" refers to god and the Spirit of God'. Okay.

So far then, aside from god, the other member(s) of the "us" are

1. Jesus (1213)
2. the Trinity (bjs1)
3. the spirit of god (Ross)

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[bjs1]

1. Jesus (1213)
2. the Trinity (bjs1)
3. the spirit of god (Ross)

Aren't these all different ways of saying the Trinity?

1. One of the persons of the Trinity
2. The trinity.
3. One of the persons of the Trinity.


In each case the response was more complex than that, but if we are going to simplify it like this then it appears that all three are different ways of giving the same answer.

[Miles]

1. Jesus (1213)
2. the Trinity (bjs1)
3. the spirit of god (Ross)

Aren't these all different ways of saying the Trinity?

1. One of the persons of the Trinity
2. The trinity.
3. One of the persons of the Trinity.


In each case the response was more complex than that, but if we are going to simplify it like this then it appears that all three are different ways of giving the same answer.

Not as I understand the English language.


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[bjs1]

1. Jesus (1213)
2. the Trinity (bjs1)
3. the spirit of god (Ross)

Aren't these all different ways of saying the Trinity?

1. One of the persons of the Trinity
2. The trinity.
3. One of the persons of the Trinity.


In each case the response was more complex than that, but if we are going to simplify it like this then it appears that all three are different ways of giving the same answer.

Not as I understand the English language.


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Ross mentioned in post 13 mentioned both the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) and the Word of God (from the Gospel of John, where it is revealed that the word is God the Son).

I can understand 1213 mentioning only the Son since the New Testament is less explicit about the Spirit being involved in creation. Most people make that leap that Spirit was involved in creation because of the way that the Spirit is described throughout the New Testament. 1213 would have to say if he denying the Spirit’s involvement, or just didn’t mention it because mentioned the Son was enough to explain the “Us.”

So the three answers so far are:
1 “Us” refers to the Father and the Son.
2 “Us refers to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
3 “Us” refers to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

[Miles]

1. Jesus (1213)
2. the Trinity (bjs1)
3. the spirit of god (Ross)

Aren't these all different ways of saying the Trinity?

1. One of the persons of the Trinity
2. The trinity.
3. One of the persons of the Trinity.


In each case the response was more complex than that, but if we are going to simplify it like this then it appears that all three are different ways of giving the same answer.

Not as I understand the English language.


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Ross mentioned in post 13 mentioned both the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) and the Word of God (from the Gospel of John, where it is revealed that the word is God the Son).

When you ask

Aren't these all different ways of saying the Trinity?

1. One of the persons of the Trinity
2. The trinity.
3. One of the persons of the Trinity.

Do you really believe



As I see Ross's post 13.

"The prologue of John explains Genesis chapter one

1. John 1:1 reveals that the Word 'was' at creation, meaning he existed before creation. [Meaning: god was at creation. Why? because of 3.]

2. John 1:3 reveals that nothing that was created was created without the Word. [Meaning: nothing was created without god. Why? because of 3.]

3. John 1:1 reveals that the Word was God. [Meaning: the god is the same thing as the Word. (The Law of identity in logic:) god = the Word and The Word = god.]

Thing is, aside from god as referred to in Genesis 1:26, the only other entity Ross mentions as making up the "us" is "the Spirit of God."

". . . . Genesis 1:2 reveals another involved in creation, 'The Spirit of God' . . . . "


Hence my remarks as stated.

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[bjs1]

Ross mentioned in post 13 mentioned both the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) and the Word of God (from the Gospel of John, where it is revealed that the word is God the Son).

When you ask

Aren't these all different ways of saying the Trinity?

1. One of the persons of the Trinity
2. The trinity.
3. One of the persons of the Trinity.

Do you really believe

I do not.

As I see Ross's post 13.

"The prologue of John explains Genesis chapter one

1. John 1:1 reveals that the Word 'was' at creation, meaning he existed before creation. [Meaning: god was at creation. Why? because of 3.]

2. John 1:3 reveals that nothing that was created was created without the Word. [Meaning: nothing was created without god. Why? because of 3.]

3. John 1:1 reveals that the Word was God. [Meaning: the god is the same thing as the Word. (The Law of identity in logic:) god = the Word and The Word = god.]

Thing is, aside from god as referred to in Genesis 1:26, the only other entity Ross mentions as making up the "us" is "the Spirit of God."

". . . . Genesis 1:2 reveals another involved in creation, 'The Spirit of God' . . . . "


Hence my remarks as stated.

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You claim that Ross only mentions '"The Spirit of God..." but in the same post quote the verses Ross cited which refer to Jesus, the Son.

[myth-one.com]

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In Genesis 1:26 one reads

"26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

What I get from this is that making man wasn't a solo task, but a cooperative effort of god and, at a minimum, someone/thing else. So, who is this us, and our, and what's the reason for your choice?

Secondary question: being the almighty god he is said to be, why do you think he needed help in making man?

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The Word created everything ever created, so it was a solo task.

Man wasn't created in the original creation, but in a re-creation of an earth which had become formless, void, and dark.

The "us" present at the creation of man would be The Word, angels assigned to the earth which had not rebelled against God and abandoned their first estate, other animals and beings cteated prior to man, and the ruler over the earth -- Satan.