Is my statement blasphemy to you?

[Wootah]

'Wootah is one with God and is in God and is equal to God.'

Is my statement blasphemy to you?

[1213]

I claim I am equal to YHWH.

Ok, and how are you equal with him? Even Jesus said God is greater than him, so I find it little funny, if you think you are equal.

Do you think it is blasphemy?

I think it is best that God decides that. But, if person speaks of matters he doesn't understand, I don't see reason to say it is blasphemy.

I think you are evading a simple question and being a little insulting ....

Sorry, I didn't mean to be insulting. I think the way I wrote. I simply think it is not true that you are equal to God, but, I don't see enough reason to call it blasphemy.

If you have some point to make, please tell it directly.

[Wootah]

[Replying to 1213 in post #51]

You honestly don't consider it wrong for a person to claim to be God. The root of all sin is wanting to steal the fruit, to be God. And yet you aren't willing to call what I said blasphemy?

I think you won't say it because you know what it means for your belief system. You would have to face Jesus as God.

[Wootah]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #40]

Me! My user name on the website.

yes sorry. So the answer to your op=yes. You cant even create a single blade of grass let alone the universe.

Jesus said

"I and the Father are one."

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me."

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God"

If Jesus is not God are those statements blasphemy?

1) One in purpose
2) Jesus only did his Fathers will, only taught what he learned from his Father,( John 5:19,30) His Father did all the powerful works and creating-through Jesus-Acts 2:22, 1 Cor 8:5-6, Coll 1:15,16
3) Error in your translation.

When I say it blasphemy is obvious but when Jesus says it 1, 2, 3 not blasphemy.

What does your translation say?

Jesus never claimed to be God-Twisting what he said just like pharisees did makes it seem so.

So you can see what I said is blasphemy but when Jesus days it is miraculously OK?

Saying a = a is not twisting anything,

That is you getting upset you have to face Jesus is God or deny basic logic.

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #51]

You honestly don't consider it wrong for a person to claim to be God. The root of all sin is wanting to steal the fruit, to be God. And yet you aren't willing to call what I said blasphemy?

I think you won't say it because you know what it means for your belief system. You would have to face Jesus as God.

Jesus didn't claim to be the God. Jesus told there is only one true God who is greater than him.

I think it is possible that person is not guilty for blasphemy, if he doesn't understand what he is speaking. I have understood blasphemy means mocking God. And calling something poor to something very good can be mocking. However, if person doesn't understand matters well, it is no necessary mocking intentionally, which is why I would not call it blasphemy, just ignorant and stupid speech in that case. I think it is wrong to claim to be the God, even if person doesn't understand correctly, even if it would not be blasphemy.

[Miles]

[Replying to 1213 in post #51]

You honestly don't consider it wrong for a person to claim to be God. The root of all sin is wanting to steal the fruit, to be God. And yet you aren't willing to call what I said blasphemy?

I think you won't say it because you know what it means for your belief system. You would have to face Jesus as God.

Jesus didn't claim to be the God. Jesus told there is only one true God who is greater than him.

Then how do you explain Jesus's words in John 8 where John recounts Jesus’ conversation with the Pharisees? Jesus uses a very specific title that Jews understood was ascribed only to God.

John 8:58–59
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.”
59 When Jesus said this, the people picked up stones to throw at him [ believing he had committed blasphemy worthy of death]. But Jesus hid himself, and then he left the Temple.

Jesus uses the title “I AM,” the name God uses for Himself when answering Moses in Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

The reaction of the Pharisees confirms this is precisely who Jesus was claiming to be, god, because they tried to stone Him for blasphemy."

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Also, In Mark 2:5, Jesus thinks he is god when he heals the paralytic man and thinks he has the power to forgive his sins.

Mark 2:1-5
2 A few days later, Jesus came back to Capernaum. The news spread that he was back home. 2 A large crowd gathered to hear him speak. The house was so full that there was no place to stand, not even outside the door. While Jesus was teaching, 3 some people brought a paralyzed man to see him. He was being carried by four of them. 4 But they could not get the man inside to Jesus because the house was so full of people. So they went to the roof above Jesus and made a hole in it. Then they lowered the mat with the paralyzed man on it. 5 When Jesus saw how much faith they had, he said to the paralyzed man, “Young man, your sins are forgiven.”

But the scribes who were there called this blasphemy because only God has authority to forgive sin

Mark 2:6-7
6 Some of the teachers of the law were sitting there. They saw what Jesus did, and they said to themselves, 7 “Why does this man say things like that? What an insult to God! No one but God can forgive sins.”

And in Isaiah 43:25 we read just that.

Isaiah 43:25
But I [god] wipe away your sins because of who I am. And so, I will forget the wrongs you have done.

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[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #40]

Me! My user name on the website.

yes sorry. So the answer to your op=yes. You cant even create a single blade of grass let alone the universe.

Jesus said

"I and the Father are one."

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me."

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God"

If Jesus is not God are those statements blasphemy?

1) One in purpose
2) Jesus only did his Fathers will, only taught what he learned from his Father,( John 5:19,30) His Father did all the powerful works and creating-through Jesus-Acts 2:22, 1 Cor 8:5-6, Coll 1:15,16
3) Error in your translation.

When I say it blasphemy is obvious but when Jesus says it 1, 2, 3 not blasphemy.

What does your translation say?

Jesus never claimed to be God-Twisting what he said just like pharisees did makes it seem so.

So you can see what I said is blasphemy but when Jesus days it is miraculously OK?

Saying a = a is not twisting anything,

That is you getting upset you have to face Jesus is God or deny basic logic.

Jesus never claimed to be God.

[Miles]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #40]

Me! My user name on the website.

yes sorry. So the answer to your op=yes. You cant even create a single blade of grass let alone the universe.

Jesus said

"I and the Father are one."

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me."

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God"

If Jesus is not God are those statements blasphemy?

1) One in purpose
2) Jesus only did his Fathers will, only taught what he learned from his Father,( John 5:19,30) His Father did all the powerful works and creating-through Jesus-Acts 2:22, 1 Cor 8:5-6, Coll 1:15,16
3) Error in your translation.

When I say it blasphemy is obvious but when Jesus says it 1, 2, 3 not blasphemy.

What does your translation say?

Jesus never claimed to be God-Twisting what he said just like pharisees did makes it seem so.

So you can see what I said is blasphemy but when Jesus days it is miraculously OK?

Saying a = a is not twisting anything,

That is you getting upset you have to face Jesus is God or deny basic logic.

Jesus never claimed to be God.

See post 55 above, plus this, another one of Jesus' claims to be god:

John 10:22-30
22 It was winter, and the time came for the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. 23 Jesus was in the Temple area at Solomon’s Porch. 24 The Jewish leaders gathered around him. They said, “How long will you make us wonder about you? If you are the Messiah, then tell us clearly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I told you already, but you did not believe. I do miracles in my Father’s name. These miracles show who I am. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice. I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give my sheep eternal life. They will never die, and no one can take them out of my hand. 29 My Father is the one who gave them to me, and he is greater than all. No one can steal my sheep out of his hand. 30 The Father and I are one."

Doesn't get much clearer than that: Jesus = God and God = Jesus. One and the same. At least this is what Jesus told others.

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[Wootah]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #56]

'Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through me.'

How cocky can a non God being get?

Surely God would say well actually Jesus I make the rules. Not you Jesus but me. I God am the Way, I God am the truth, I God am the life.

Thoughts? Read what Jesus said. How can that not be blasphemy out of anyone's mouth other than God's?

[Wootah]

[Replying to 1213 in post #54]

It's fair to consider what is the scope of blasphemy.

I think blasphemy is mocking God. My statement is blasphemy because it is a mockery for me to pretend to be God.

God is the King.

Anyone not acknowledging that God is King is not giving God the rightful place in their life and is therefore attempting to sit on throne of God in their life is committing blasphemy.

All those false gods, will be dethroned on judgement day.

But if God is the one and only king and you and I say we take that seriously how dare you mock God by putting a non God being before God? By listening to the words of a non God being saying that they are 'the way, truth and life'?

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #40]

Me! My user name on the website.

yes sorry. So the answer to your op=yes. You cant even create a single blade of grass let alone the universe.

Jesus said

"I and the Father are one."

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me."

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God"

If Jesus is not God are those statements blasphemy?

1) One in purpose
2) Jesus only did his Fathers will, only taught what he learned from his Father,( John 5:19,30) His Father did all the powerful works and creating-through Jesus-Acts 2:22, 1 Cor 8:5-6, Coll 1:15,16
3) Error in your translation.

When I say it blasphemy is obvious but when Jesus says it 1, 2, 3 not blasphemy.

What does your translation say?

Jesus never claimed to be God-Twisting what he said just like pharisees did makes it seem so.

So you can see what I said is blasphemy but when Jesus days it is miraculously OK?

Saying a = a is not twisting anything,

That is you getting upset you have to face Jesus is God or deny basic logic.

Jesus never claimed to be God.

See post 55 above, plus this, another one of Jesus' claims to be god:

John 10:22-30
22 It was winter, and the time came for the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. 23 Jesus was in the Temple area at Solomon’s Porch. 24 The Jewish leaders gathered around him. They said, “How long will you make us wonder about you? If you are the Messiah, then tell us clearly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I told you already, but you did not believe. I do miracles in my Father’s name. These miracles show who I am. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice. I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give my sheep eternal life. They will never die, and no one can take them out of my hand. 29 My Father is the one who gave them to me, and he is greater than all. No one can steal my sheep out of his hand. 30 The Father and I are one."

Doesn't get much clearer than that: Jesus = God and God = Jesus. One and the same. At least this is what Jesus told others.

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Yes one in purpose--The Father is Jesus' God-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-2Cor 1:3, Coll 1:3, Eph 1:3-1Pet 1:3-- You would have to teach God has a God if your religion was correct. We all know 100% God does not have a God.