Why do you think Jews reject the teachings of the church?
If you could pick one passage to convince them to believe Jesus is their anointed one (messiah) what would it be?
Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #11I commented on the only remark I felt deserved a response, your question. Your other two remarks, paragraphs 1 and 2, come across as self serving opinions, and as such don't merit any comment.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:43 pmI commented on your post, feeling that I answered your objections. Can you comment on what I posted in my last attempt (post #8) at saying something that has been said many times before.Miles wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:56 amThis is like complaining about the fact that the guy on the other side of the net doesn't let your shot go by unchallenged, but returns it with a shot of his own. Don't like comments about X then stop bringing up X. .... And believe it or not, but questions asked and answered, such as [Did any of them die before the Son of man came with his kingdom? YOU BETCHA! ALL OF THEM DID.] and [Was god's kingdom near? HARDLY!] don't expect or require an answer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:44 pmSo-called Christians aren't taught what those verses are really saying. As stated before, more than once, Jesus was talking about the vision of his transfiguration on the mountain with Peter, James and John. They saw him "coming in his Kingdom" by way of the brightness of his glory there before them.Miles wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:54 pmAnd you don't think Christians sweep things under the rug? Just consider:onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:27 pm
Jews don't accept Christianity because their religious leaders haven't taught them to do so. It is clear in the Scriptures that Jesus is the Messiah and even when he would appear. That is swept under the rug by Jewish leaders.
Matthew 16:28
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. [Did any of them die before the Son of man came with his kingdom? YOU BETCHA! ALL OF THEM DID.]
Mark 1:15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. [Was god's kingdom near? HARDLY!]
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Mark 1:15 shows that the Kingdom was near by way of the presence of Jesus there among them. He is the King designate and could be said to represent the Kingdom here on Earth. So this King was near to them all and would fulfill what the verse indicated, as being "at hand."
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #12That came true six days later:
And after six days, Jesus took Peter and James, and his brother John, and brought them up into a high mountain apart. And He was transfigured before them, and His face shone like the sun, and His clothing became white as the light. And, behold! Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. And answering, Peter said to Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You will, let us make three tents here, one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah. While he was yet speaking, behold, a radiant cloud overshadowed them. And, behold, a voice out of the cloud saying, This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I delight; hear Him.
Matt. 17:1-5
If we believe the scriptures, it is really close:
And being questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God comes, He answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, Lo, here! Or, Lo, there! For behold the kingdom of God is in your midst.
Luke 17:20-21
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #13Just to back up a verse, we have.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 4:23 amThat came true six days later:
And after six days, Jesus took Peter and James, and his brother John, and brought them up into a high mountain apart. And He was transfigured before them, and His face shone like the sun, and His clothing became white as the light. And, behold! Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. And answering, Peter said to Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You will, let us make three tents here, one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah. While he was yet speaking, behold, a radiant cloud overshadowed them. And, behold, a voice out of the cloud saying, This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I delight; hear Him.
Matt. 17:1-5
Matthew 16:27-28
27 The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done. 28 Believe me when I say that there are some people standing here who will see the Son of Man coming with his kingdom before they die.”
27 The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done. 28 Believe me when I say that there are some people standing here who will see the Son of Man coming with his kingdom before they die.”
Let me ask; if Jesus came in/with his kingdom six days later, why isn't this "kingdom" ever mentioned? Moreover, what happened to "his Father's glory,"---whatever that is---and "his angels" that accompanied him? They're never mentioned either. Moreover, where is the darkening sun and moon, and the stars falling from heaven that Mark 13:24-25 says will accompany Jesus' return? Nope, you've got your events mixed up here. The Son of Man coming again simply hasn't happened yet.
It's been almost two thousand years now and I think "close" passed by long ago.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #14Sorry, I think the "some people standing here who will see the Son of Man coming with his kingdom before they die" happened already.Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 3:11 pm ...Matthew 16:27-28Let me ask; if Jesus came in/with his kingdom six days later, why isn't this "kingdom" ever mentioned? Moreover, what happened to "his Father's glory,"---whatever that is---and "his angels" that accompanied him? They're never mentioned either. Moreover, where is the darkening sun and moon, and the stars falling from heaven that Mark 13:24-25 says will accompany Jesus' return? Nope, you've got your events mixed up here. The Son of Man coming again simply hasn't happened yet.
27 The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done. 28 Believe me when I say that there are some people standing here who will see the Son of Man coming with his kingdom before they die.”
The kingdom is already in the midst of disciples of Jesus, as said here:
And being questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God comes, He answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, Lo, here! Or, Lo, there! For behold the kingdom of God is in your midst.
Luke 17:20-21
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #15The same reason they rejected Jesus as the Son of God all those years ago. Loss of power over people and they seem to not like it when they are not called God's chosen people. Jesus was becoming more popular and gaining more followers by the day. They hated that. The Christian movement did both of these things as well. Began gaining more followers from the Jews and its doctrine taught that Jews were no longer God's chosen people and that God's chosen people could come from even the gentiles. They really hated that.
Impossible.If you could pick one passage to convince them to believe Jesus is their anointed one (messiah) what would it be?
No can convince anyone of anything. A person can only be convinced by the Bible if Jehovah God allows it.
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #16There are Jews that accept the teachings of Jesus an example would be Rabbi Schneider , however it was already told in the Book of Isaiah and Psalms 118 and other scriptures that the Jews would reject Jesus . Many of the Jews hold the patriarchs in very high regards like Abraham , Moses and Noah ,The Jews believe that the Messiah is still coming they don't believe that the Messiah is Jesus . Jesus was even rejected in his hometown Nazareth because he was a carpenter ( Luke 4 ) .Why do you think Jews reject the teachings of the church?
To pick just one scripture would be difficult , the best ones are in the book of Isaiah . Isaiah chapter 7,9,35 ,42If you could pick one passage to convince them to believe Jesus is their anointed one (messiah) what would it be?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #17[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #15]
I believe you really believe that.
But have you actually asked a Jew or two why they dont believe Jesus is the one who will come?
Has nothing to do with what you’ve been taught. It really is not. It is because the teachings of the church are not compatible with what God instructed. Nor does Jesus fit the description.
I feel sad for Christians. Because the passages that they quote to prove Jesus are mistranslated or taken out if context or non existent. Did you ever wonder why it is thst the church never encourages anyone to learn Hebrew? If they did learn the church would fail.
What passages convince you that Jesus is the one we sre waiting for?
I believe you really believe that.
But have you actually asked a Jew or two why they dont believe Jesus is the one who will come?
Has nothing to do with what you’ve been taught. It really is not. It is because the teachings of the church are not compatible with what God instructed. Nor does Jesus fit the description.
I feel sad for Christians. Because the passages that they quote to prove Jesus are mistranslated or taken out if context or non existent. Did you ever wonder why it is thst the church never encourages anyone to learn Hebrew? If they did learn the church would fail.
What passages convince you that Jesus is the one we sre waiting for?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #18[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #15]
I assume you are not a Mormon. That you dont believe the revelation of Joseph Smith. Its not because your greedy for power or anything like thst. Its becsuse its teachings are nit compatible with your testament. Joseph Smith and his gokd plates he found in upstate New York. Nonesense. You are right to reject it.
Theres a joke we Jews tell:
God created Mormons so Christians would know how Hews feel.
If you applied the same logic to the Christian testament and compared it to the Hebrew Scriptures you would not believe the church. But you dont. However it dies show tgst yiu do know how to discern the truth. How can you believe Mormonism is false snd mainstream Christianity is true when both fail when compared to the teachings of the God of Israel?
I assume you are not a Mormon. That you dont believe the revelation of Joseph Smith. Its not because your greedy for power or anything like thst. Its becsuse its teachings are nit compatible with your testament. Joseph Smith and his gokd plates he found in upstate New York. Nonesense. You are right to reject it.
Theres a joke we Jews tell:
God created Mormons so Christians would know how Hews feel.
If you applied the same logic to the Christian testament and compared it to the Hebrew Scriptures you would not believe the church. But you dont. However it dies show tgst yiu do know how to discern the truth. How can you believe Mormonism is false snd mainstream Christianity is true when both fail when compared to the teachings of the God of Israel?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #19The whole Bible convinces me. Genesis to Revelation. If you remember, the first Christians were Jews. These were ones that understood scriptures like Jeremiah 31:31-34 that there was a new covenant coming and they accepted it. These Jews knew the scriptures very well and still became Christians. Ever wondered why? Because they were convinced that Jesus was the one that that scriptures spoke of.Avoice wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:39 pm [Replying to 2timothy316 in post #15]
I believe you really believe that.
But have you actually asked a Jew or two why they dont believe Jesus is the one who will come?
Has nothing to do with what you’ve been taught. It really is not. It is because the teachings of the church are not compatible with what God instructed. Nor does Jesus fit the description.
I feel sad for Christians. Because the passages that they quote to prove Jesus are mistranslated or taken out if context or non existent. Did you ever wonder why it is thst the church never encourages anyone to learn Hebrew? If they did learn the church would fail.
What passages convince you that Jesus is the one we sre waiting for?
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Re: Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?
Post #20I do not use that logic.Avoice wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:53 pm [Replying to 2timothy316 in post #15]
I assume you are not a Mormon. That you dont believe the revelation of Joseph Smith. Its not because your greedy for power or anything like thst. Its becsuse its teachings are nit compatible with your testament. Joseph Smith and his gokd plates he found in upstate New York. Nonesense. You are right to reject it.
Theres a joke we Jews tell:
God created Mormons so Christians would know how Hews feel.
If you applied the same logic to the Christian testament and compared it to the Hebrew Scriptures you would not believe the church. But you dont. However it dies show tgst yiu do know how to discern the truth. How can you believe Mormonism is false snd mainstream Christianity is true when both fail when compared to the teachings of the God of Israel?
In my studies, the Greek Scriptures harmonize with the Hebrew Scriptures.