Should misinformation be banned from the major platforms?

[Daedalus X]

For this topic misinformation is any information that promotes needle hesitancy or anti authoritarian approved information.

Here is an example of misinformation that can't be posted to YouTube, twitter, Facebook or any mainline medium. Is this good public policy?



This is a MUST WATCH.

https://www.therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/viewing/

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[Replying to Jose Fly in post #190]

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Again with the Nazi analogies. Can you at least try to discuss this rationally?

You apparently are not aware of the aggression and violence demonstrated by trans activists, or the pressure placed on people to keep them from even questioning what is happening through the threat of being cancelled and, even worse, kicked out of their jobs.

And btw, you never really answered my question. What specifically is your desired outcome in this area?

I essentially have done in my responses. Take all the sexualisation of children out of schools. Teach love, tolerance and acceptance by example rather than constantly shoving gender issues down the throats of everyone, not just kids, at every opportunity. What is this obsession with sexuality that it now permeates the fabric of society to the detriment of everything else? A tiny proportion of the population has genuine gender dysphoria. The current epidemic does not represent the truth. For many it is just transvestism, fetishism, cosplay and a chance to have fifteen minutes of fame on TikTok. Transitioning through chemical castration and surgery should be a last resort. There is no turning back and lives are being destroyed through the pushing of this ideology. Watch the video above. De-transitioners are reviled. Where is all the love and acceptance when people change their minds. Instead of discussion, everything is shut down. Instead of rational arguments and true data, all we get are labels like bigot, phobe, ist, or whatever and that somehow is meant amount to a case and account for why we are wrong. It's lazy, vile and similar to the tactics you don't like me referring to. I'm so glad that I do not live in the US, but fear that we will nevertheless import this insanity before it rightly dies out.

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Keep your head. Don't bow to the fear mongering. Support Trans Rights. Support Human Rights.

Human rights and trans rights are not under threat. I am not bowing to fear mongering. I have no issue whatsoever with people living their lives as whatever sexual identity they prefer, as long it does not impact adversely on others. What is happening is that educational institutions are now indoctrinating the young beyond just being accepting and inclusive. The best teaching is done by example and discouraging unacceptable behaviour. It should not involve forcing sexual identity issues on the young and vulnerable long before those things are even relevant. Having half naked men being lashed in public parades is not how one teaches love and acceptance. How ironic that having spent decades trying to undo male and female stereotyping, it is now actually being used to define sexuality. We tried to say that boys were allowed to play with doll and girls with trucks, but if that happens now, boys must be girls and girls must be boys. Quick, out with the drugs and snippers and let's make it happen. The world has gone crazy.

I'm sure we are more in agreement than not. I don't see it as you do, and would have to see actual examples where people are getting unwarranted treatment, or where schools are indoctrinating. I'm sure there are a few anecdotes, but I'd like to see the bigger picture.

However, let's discern between "Quick, out with the drugs and snippers and let's make it happen" and "We now recognize gender dysphoria is a real thing, and we have the medicine and science to address it, so we can do it quickly, if that is what doctors, parents, or patients feel best."

It's really not for us - passive observers - to moralize on someone else's life choices.


I feel, also, you are merging gender dysphoria treatment with schools and with the Gay Pride parade, which has been a raunchy festival - like Mardi Gras or Carnival.

I am not seeing where people are forcing people to change their gender - even through indoctrination. If anything, the indoctrination appears to be the status quo of gender roles.

[Jose Fly]

You apparently are not aware of the aggression and violence demonstrated by trans activists

Violence? Trans people and their supporters are actually....what...killing people? Forming roving gangs and beating people up? Bombing places?

or the pressure placed on people to keep them from even questioning what is happening through the threat of being cancelled and, even worse, kicked out of their jobs.

Right. If a trans person works for a business and that business is fine with who they are, then they will likely require other employees to address them by their trans name and/or pronouns and generally treat them with the same respect as any other employee. If someone refuses to do that and generally disrespects their trans worker, the employer is probably going to take action, up to and including termination.

How is that any different than say, a Muslim worker who wears a hijab and a coworker who thinks it's wrong? Or an atheist employee? Should the employer allow other employees to tell them how awful and terrible they think they are? And what would you change? Would you have the government intervene and force private businesses to allow harassment of trans workers?

Take all the sexualisation of children out of schools.

Let's get specific....what exactly does that mean?

Should the government ban trans people from working in schools? What about trans students? Should the government ban them from attending, or if they're allowed to attend, should the government ban them from being open about who they are? Should the government force them to use their old names and pronouns?

What about trans parents of students? Should the government ban them from being chaperones, volunteering, attending events, and otherwise being on school property or at school events entirely?

Should the government ban schools from mentioning LGBTQs at all, or in any way whatsoever?

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I'm sure we are more in agreement than not. I don't see it as you do, and would have to see actual examples where people are getting unwarranted treatment, or where schools are indoctrinating. I'm sure there are a few anecdotes, but I'd like to see the bigger picture.

There are reports from all over the US and UK. Hunt around. Whistleblowers are telling the true stories behind what is happening in hospitals. It is very big business. Surgery costs a fortune and trans people are on expensive drugs for as long as they live. If pharma made big bucks from vaccines, then these clinics are profiting from the boom in transgenderism. It is naive to believe that everyone is just thinking of the best for these people. The best for most of them is to let them grow up and then make an informed decision.

However, let's discern between "Quick, out with the drugs and snippers and let's make it happen" and "We now recognize gender dysphoria is a real thing, and we have the medicine and science to address it, so we can do it quickly, if that is what doctors, parents, or patients feel best."

It's really not for us - passive observers - to moralize on someone else's life choices.

When it is clear that many people are getting caught up in the hysteria, it is often helpful to have a calm and rational view presented. In some of the interviews with de-transitioners, it was quite clear that the people were rushed through the process with little or no explanation of the risks and long term consequences. It is not something that should be treated so lightly. It's annoying that it seems to have become a political football. This is a serious problem that should not be decided based on what side of the political fence one sits. I am still wondering what the real agenda is behind all of this.

I feel, also, you are merging gender dysphoria treatment with schools and with the Gay Pride parade, which has been a raunchy festival - like Mardi Gras or Carnival.

I am not seeing where people are forcing people to change their gender - even through indoctrination. If anything, the indoctrination appears to be the status quo of gender roles.

Just one of the latest news items from the UK involves a confrontation between a teacher and a young student (13?) who was refusing to acknowledge a classmate identifying as a cat. The teacher can be heard dismissing the student and bringing up gender fluidity. Yikes. He sounded like he was reciting from an activist script and even suggested that the student should go to another school if their ideas were so much in conflict. I have seen footage where a father is trying to read from material that his daughter was exposed to in class but the school board was too offended to listen to.

There is no need to constantly expose young people to all this gender stuff. For the vast majority, the boys and the girls are just that. Everyone just needs to be kind and respectful to each other. That is what we should be pushing, not just for a month, but for the whole year.

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You apparently are not aware of the aggression and violence demonstrated by trans activists

Violence? Trans people and their supporters are actually....what...killing people? Forming roving gangs and beating people up? Bombing places?

Your exaggeration is somewhat disingenuous. Any time women attempt to speak up about what they believe to be the erosion of women's rights, violent and aggressive activists descend and do their utmost to disrupt the occasion. I have seen footage of a trans woman (burly man in a frock and wig) physically assaulting a middle-aged woman or another where a man has been constantly verbally abused until, realising that was not enough, physically knocking the man over. Riley Gaines was chased by a rabid mob and forced to seek refuge when she spoke at a university. They were demanding a ransom for her to be allowed out. And on it goes. Not feeling the love from these hard done by trans activists. They are so oppressed that they get invited to the White House. They live in so much fear that they constantly parade themselves on TikTok. Give us a break.

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Should the government ban trans people from working in schools? What about trans students? Should the government ban them from attending, or if they're allowed to attend, should the government ban them from being open about who they are? Should the government force them to use their old names and pronouns?

Where is this coming from? No one is advocating that. This is the problem with misinformation. people are spreading ideas that are not founded in fact. It is all really founded in emotional blackmail. Trans people have never really been better off than now, but the absurdity of what the activists are promoting is undoing all of that. People have always been free to use whatever names they want. The notion of owning pronouns and enforcing their use is something out of cloud cuckoo land. It is both laughable and very sad to see people have melt downs becomes someone else has used a non-prescribed pronoun when referring to them. Is that rational, or sane? Time for these people to grow a pair, or regrow if they have cut them off.

What is wrong is indoctrinating young people with ideas that are false for a start. There are only two sexes in human beings, male and female. You can't change your sex. You can behave like anything you want. Lopping things off in the pursuit of unrealistic goals is not a guarantee of happiness. Some are lucky to find it. I predict that for many from the current generation that go down that path only suffering and misery is what really awaits, not the pot of gold they expected at the end of the rainbow.

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What Started the Cultural Fixation on Gender?

[Jose Fly]

Your exaggeration is somewhat disingenuous. Any time women attempt to speak up about what they believe to be the erosion of women's rights, violent and aggressive activists descend and do their utmost to disrupt the occasion. I have seen footage of a trans woman (burly man in a frock and wig) physically assaulting a middle-aged woman or another where a man has been constantly verbally abused until, realising that was not enough, physically knocking the man over. Riley Gaines was chased by a rabid mob and forced to seek refuge when she spoke at a university. They were demanding a ransom for her to be allowed out. And on it goes. Not feeling the love from these hard done by trans activists. They are so oppressed that they get invited to the White House. They live in so much fear that they constantly parade themselves on TikTok. Give us a break.

Where is this coming from? No one is advocating that. This is the problem with misinformation. people are spreading ideas that are not founded in fact. It is all really founded in emotional blackmail. Trans people have never really been better off than now, but the absurdity of what the activists are promoting is undoing all of that. People have always been free to use whatever names they want. The notion of owning pronouns and enforcing their use is something out of cloud cuckoo land. It is both laughable and very sad to see people have melt downs becomes someone else has used a non-prescribed pronoun when referring to them. Is that rational, or sane? Time for these people to grow a pair, or regrow if they have cut them off.

What is wrong is indoctrinating young people with ideas that are false for a start. There are only two sexes in human beings, male and female. You can't change your sex. You can behave like anything you want. Lopping things off in the pursuit of unrealistic goals is not a guarantee of happiness. Some are lucky to find it. I predict that for many from the current generation that go down that path only suffering and misery is what really awaits, not the pot of gold they expected at the end of the rainbow.

Huh. Of course any violence or threats of violence from either side in this is wrong, be they "burly men in a wig" or Proud Boys. However, your rather thin response indicates to me that the violence from the trans community and their supporters is relatively rare compared to the violence from the other side. The data certainly backs that up.

Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime

Number of trans homicides doubled over 4 years, with gun killings fueling increase: Advocates

And when I ask you to specify what you mean by "sexualization of children" all you can offer is basically that you don't want kids to be told that being transgender is a real thing.

I don't know what your issue is with trans people, but it's pretty obvious to me that you simply don't like them. That's too bad. You should probably engage in some self-reflection and ask yourself why this gets you so emotionally riled up.

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And when I ask you to specify what you mean by "sexualization of children" all you can offer is basically that you don't want kids to be told that being transgender is a real thing.

Really? That's all you think is going on in educational institutions? Give us a break. Take a closer look at the news. One would think that being transgender is the best thing since sliced bread and the pinnacle of human evolution.

I don't know what your issue is with trans people, but it's pretty obvious to me that you simply don't like them. That's too bad. You should probably engage in some self-reflection and ask yourself why this gets you so emotionally riled up.

I have no issue with genuine transgender people. None at all. If you want to send me my transphobe, bigot and racist badge, and claim some sort of higher ground, go ahead. I will wear them with pride (no rainbows necessary) even though they do not represent the truth. They are a sign that those who throw around such accusations do so because they have nothing better to offer as an argument. I wonder why people make such a huge issue over sexuality when there are crimes committed against greater parts of society that get far less attention.

By the way, what have the LGBTQIA+ done to actually merit a month of celebration and worship every year? It beggars belief that this actually happens.