God's Need for Loyalty?

[Skeptical]

I know that it has been argued and debated that God had to test Adam and Eve in order to see if they were loyal to him or not, but could the human race have gotten along alright if God didn't have the need to know what their loyalty was? Because it still hasn't been adequately explained as to why God needed to be sure of the first human pair's loyalty. However, it has only been dogmatically said that this is what God wanted. Therefore, could humankind had still been successful without a test of loyalty to God, or is this something that God needed to make himself feel more secure? Inquiring minds want to know.

[JehovahsWitness]

So, is that all? Just no?

No, ... I am not saying that James 1:14-15 contradicts 2 Corinthians 11:3. I don't see anything contradictory in the two verses.

[JehovahsWitness]

So, what are you saying?

I'm saying that according to JAMES 1: 14 "“Each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire".

That only JWs are right and everyone else is wrong?

No.

... that no matter what you say and no matter how you reason and no matter what scriptures that you use, JWs are still always right just because?

No. I didn't say that : which post contains me saying any of that?

[Skeptical]

So, what are you saying?

I'm saying that according to JAMES 1: 14 "“Each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire".

That only JWs are right and everyone else is wrong?

No.

Well, other than your comment about how you didn't understand my obvious sarcasm, I noticed that you ignored what I said about Matthew 4:1-12 in my post #52:

And I guess that according to Matthew 4:1-12:

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”

7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Jesus Begins to Preach
12 When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he withdrew to Galilee

God's spirit must have hurried Jesus along because it may have taken Jesus too much time to have been tempted on his own... And as we know, God is on a timetable.

However, if my arguments are too much for you, we don't have to continue to debate. Because you did say that you enjoyed debating, however, what I suspect is that what you really enjoy is proselyting.

[Skeptical]

... that no matter what you say and no matter how you reason and no matter what scriptures that you use, JWs are still always right just because?

No. I didn't say that : which post contains me saying any of that?

You don't need to come right out and say that.

[JehovahsWitness]

I noticed that you ignored what I said about Matthew 4:1-12 in my post #52:

I responded to post #52 in post #54.

[JehovahsWitness]

However, if my arguments are too much for you, we don't have to continue to debate.

No I want to continue the debate.

[otseng]

Dude, I almost belted out a big yawn. Because it sounds like you are not keeping up. However, you are free to read my post again and see if you are able to get the real meaning of what I said.

Or maybe you don't understand sarcasm. smh

ave adult conversations; however, your answers are becoming very childish and disingenuous. Therefore, debating with you is a waste of time. So, if you don't mind, could you not answer my questions at this forum?

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[Skeptical]

Dude, I almost belted out a big yawn. Because it sounds like you are not keeping up. However, you are free to read my post again and see if you are able to get the real meaning of what I said.

Or maybe you don't understand sarcasm. smh

ave adult conversations; however, your answers are becoming very childish and disingenuous. Therefore, debating with you is a waste of time. So, if you don't mind, could you not answer my questions at this forum?

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Please review the Rules.





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But if you look, I said that "your answers (or his arguments) are becoming very childish and disingenuous," but not the person himself.

[Skeptical]

I noticed that you ignored what I said about Matthew 4:1-12 in my post #52:

I responded to post #52 in post #54.

Here is your post #54:

God's spirit must have hurried Jesus along because it may have taken Jesus too much time to have been tempted on his own...

Where did you read that in the bible? I know of no scripture that says "God's spirit must have hurried Jesus along because it may have taken Jesus too much time to have been tempted on his own"



J W

Therefore, it's becoming a little bit tiresome for me when I say something like, "God's spirit must have hurried Jesus along..." because it seems as if you don't understand what it means when someone is using words such as "must have" as in "must have been."

“Must have been” is used to express an assumption, or an opinion that you gathered from a logical guess.

https://gonaturalenglish.com/past-condi ... ot%20true.

However, I'm not here to give English lessons.

Unless, JWs at this forum Use Theocratic War Strategy:

Perhaps some will wonder as to where the line is to be drawn between use of theocratic war strategy in hiding the truth and the telling of lies. First of all, let it be noted that whenever one takes an oath to tell the truth he is obligated to do so. By dedicating himself to do God’s will each Christian has taken a vow or made an oath to do God’s will and to be faithful to him. To this oath he certainly must be true. Likewise, when a Christian is placed on a witness stand he is obligated to speak the truth if he speaks at all. At times he may prefer to refuse to speak and suffer the consequences rather than betray his brothers or the interests of God’s work. And, of course, there is no occasion for use of war strategy when dealing with our Christian brothers. In dealing with them we tell the truth or tactfully remind them that what they seek to know does not concern them.

Because I don't have time for JWs to either lie or play mind games with me.

[JehovahsWitness]

... it seems as if you don't understand what it means when someone is using words such as "must have" as in "must have been."

I'm sorry you got that impression, I certainly do understand what "must have" as in "must have been" means.

... I don't have time for JWs to either lie or play mind games with me.

I wouldn't expect you to.



Respect,


JEHOVAH’S WITNESS