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Skeptical wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 3:01 am ....Do trans members ever really change and stop being trans?...
Stories of detransitioning people seem to suggest that person can stop being trans.
Skeptical wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 3:01 am...However, I would like to know other than the Bible saying don't be like this or don't be like that, do Christians or JWs ever wonder about why a person has cross gender identification in the first place?....
I didn't wonder it before you asked it. Maybe one reason is that they think there is something better in the opposite gender and they think they must change to have that same. Or there is something they don't like in their gender and therefore they want to change. When person understands the reason, I believe it is then also possible to "stop being trans", if the person understands it is not a good reason.
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Skeptical wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 3:01 am...

...[Do]JWs ever wonder about why a person has cross gender identification in the first place? ...
I do; I'm not a doctor or a psychiatrist but I believe it basically comes from genetics or environment or a combination of both. I think there is little doubt brain function plays a part, it plays a part in all human behaviour. The concensus seems to be out to what degree environment influences such people but I don't think it can be entirely dismissed given the rise in numbers of people self identifying as "trans" over recent years.





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1213 wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:13 am
Skeptical wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 3:01 am ....Do trans members ever really change and stop being trans?...
Stories of detransitioning people seem to suggest that person can stop being trans.
Well, I supposed so, if that is true.
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Skeptical wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 3:01 am...However, I would like to know other than the Bible saying don't be like this or don't be like that, do Christians or JWs ever wonder about why a person has cross gender identification in the first place?....
I didn't wonder it before you asked it. Maybe one reason is that they think there is something better in the opposite gender and they think they must change to have that same. Or there is something they don't like in their gender and therefore they want to change. When person understands the reason, I believe it is then also possible to "stop being trans", if the person understands it is not a good reason.
I don't know if you read any of the quotes that I provided in the OP or clicked on any of the links for more information, however, from what I read, there's really not a lot of 'thinking' involved. Therefore, I prefer to go the source and listen to what these people are saying rather than the opinion of someone who doesn't know anything about it. But thanks for answering.

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DOES MATTHEW 5:28 MEAN HOMOSEXUALS ARE CONDEMNED FOR THEIR DESIRES?

No. Jesus was highlighting that all sin starts with unwholesome desires and inevitably leads to actions if we do not make a constant effort to fight them.
MATTHEW 5 :28

But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart
The verb in the original language was witten in the continuous form, so Jesus does not say that that anyone that looks at a woman (person) would be condemned but rather that anyone that keeps looking. The point being we may not be able to control our initial reaction (or orientation) but we can avoid harbouring and nurturing wrong desires. (compare verses 29, 30). Whether homosexual or heterosexual, a Christian must struggle against lecherous thoughts but they are not condemned unless they give up that fight.

Unlike Jesus' words above, the context of Paul's words were not about the origins of sin but rather what measures Christians were authorised to take vi-a-vis each other. The subject is introduced in the context of lawsuits against fellow Christians. One does not go to court because of someone's feelings about us but because of their actions.
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