Questions about Jesus and JW’s

[MissKate13]

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.

When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?

I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.

MissKate13

[MissKate13]

To all who have posted on this thread: I thank you for your participation, time and effort. Tomorrow’s another day. It’s time for a nice dinner, some family time and some rest.

Please know that I am not your enemy. After all, it’s as Jesus said, He who is not against me is for me. We are all fighting the same battle against this evil world we live in. We’re serving the Lord the best way we know how. I leave it to Jesus to judge us. Quite frankly, that job is way above my pay grade.

Be blessed one and all!

Miss Kate

[JehovahsWitness]

Dont worry about your posts Misskate , as you said, you have done your best.

I didnt mean to give you a hard time; I was just hoping for something more substancial, perhaps references to the Greek. Maybe it's best you didnt go there (tigger hasnt even turned up yet), you'll need your strength.


Enjoy your meal, be well,


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

You never did answer my questions. I would appreciate it if you did. Maybe you are aware of other verses that say Jesus was created. I’d like to see them. I’d also like to know when you believe He was created.

I have already answered this WITH scriptural references See post #5

[Purple Knight]

I saw a report about French and English that explained they use different parts of the brain linguistically ... being bilingual myself, its more than about words, there is indeed a thought process that is different, we .."approach" ideas from a different direction. Its very hard to explain ...

I think it's like there's a primal thought, a basic understanding that is wordless. A zeroth step.

And something our fundamentally linguistic brains do, as a first step, is arrange that thought with concepts we know. This would be where languages diverge, even though nothing linguistic has been added yet. This is the step where the brain primes a thought to be passed through the language grinder. Stuff is lost here because we're trimming it to fit into that grinder and we don't even know we're doing it, but we do start to have an awareness of the thought at this step.

The second and last step would be turning the grinder and allowing the finished product to come out. The most complicated step and why the language centre of our brains is so big, but the least important to understanding.

This is going to sound really, really weird, and I absolutely do not expect you or anyone else to believe me, but if you use primal thought and develop your awareness of it, you can actually talk to animals. It will be unlike a conversation with a human. It won't be a conversation as we understand it at all, and it will only occur when there is mutual desire to convey meaning. Beware: Your ability to communicate linguistically will suffer. It will start to upset and offend you that someone is demanding a word to describe this thing as if it's a form of intentional red tape. And it might be a prerequisite to be at least slightly on the autism spectrum to start doing it with any efficacy. I do think it aids in understanding, but at the expense of the ability to communicate that understanding.

[2timothy316]

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

A true god.

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I’m happy to know you believe Jesus is/was a true god. And for the record, whether a lower case or capital G is before the word god makes no difference to me. Capital letters were not used in the original language of the Greek extant manuscripts.

Since you believe Jesus is a true god, does this mean you believe there are two gods?

There is only one True Almighty God. While Jesus is a mighty spirit being, a god even, he is second to Jehovah the Almighty. Jesus is not the True Almighty God or even equal to his Father. Jesus is never referenced to as the True God or a True God.

Satan is a god and his demons are gods in that they are mighty and powerful. People even worship them. People even worship angels as gods and Jesus as god but this is wrong according to Deuteronomy 6:10, Matthew 4:10 and Revelation 22:9. None of these can hold a candle to who Jehovah is according to Psalms 83:18.

Is Jesus a true or false god?

Just a god as John 1:1 states.

Since you’ve claimed that Jehovah is the ONLY true God, then that by default makes all other gods false.

Why do you say, "I have claimed"? The Bible says Jehovah is the ONLY true God. Read John 17:3. Jesus was not talking about himself in that verse. Why do you give me credit for what the Bible says?
Yes that is correct. Jehovah is the God of gods. To make anyone equal to or higher than Jehovah is a false God. I'm glad you understand.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #52]

Thanks JW. You didn’t give me a hard time. We had a good discussion.

I’m wondering what your thoughts are about Isaiah 43:10? Jehovah says that before Him there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me.

When was Jesus created?

“You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.“ (Isa 43:10 NKJV)

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #52]


I’m wondering what your thoughts are about Isaiah 43:10? Jehovah says that before Him there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me.

ISAIAH 43:10

Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.

The context is clearly a comparison between the True God and the false Gods of the nations. Obviously there can be nobody that compares with The eternal one..

ISAIAH 43:9

Let all the nations assemble in one place, And let the peoples be gathered together. Who among them can tell this?Or can they cause us to hear the first things? Let them present their witnesses to prove themselves right, Or let them hear and say, ‘It is the truth!’”

How do you read it?


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[MissKate13]

[Replying to MissKate13 in post #55]
What about Isaiah 43:10?

Who is the speaker? Who are the witnesses? Who is “my servant?”

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to MissKate13 in post #55]
What about Isaiah 43:10?

Who is the speaker? Who are the witnesses? Who is “my servant?”

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THE WITNESSES verse 1b "O Jacob, the One who formed you, O Israel"

“MY SERVANT” verse 1b "O Jacob, the One who formed you, O Israel"

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[2timothy316]

Since you believe Jesus is a true god, does this mean you believe there are two gods?

There are more than two gods, there are MANY gods.

1 CORINTHIANS 8:5 - Aramaic Bible in Plain English

For even though there are what are called gods, whether in the Heavens or in The Earth, as there are many gods and many lords

None being called god small g is God capitol G. There is only one God=YHWH(Jehovah). Jesus serves and worships YHWH(Jehovah)

There are no lower case letters in the original language. All letter appear to be the same size. Is Jesus a true or false god?

The difference between God and god is very important and is determined by context as to what kind of god the scripture is talking about. If you're not willing to accept this concept then there is no reason for this debate to continue.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #59]
If you’re speaking about English translations, I agree.

Whether you care to end discussion is up to you, but please note, the original languages of Scripture do not distinguish between God and god, because capital and lower case letters aren’t used. I believe we need to look at the actual Hebrew or Greek words in their context to truly know what is being said.