The bible teaches the coming of Gods kingdom is good news, only the wicked in Gods view need to fear its arrival. It begins for all creation when Jesus leads Gods armies to the earth and wipes out all wickedness. Satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. Then loosed for a little while to test the resurrected who are given a chance to learn and apply Gods will.
During that 1000 year reign of Christ, all things will be made new. Gods original plan-Mortals knowing only good, not aging like now, never sick, diseased, never without, no war, hatred, fear, pain, no mates cheating on one another, no drug addiction or drunkeness, no false god worship, no mortal govts,( Dan 2:44) love will be the motive of every heart to one another, perfect harmony amongst all of Gods creatures( Isaiah 11)--Loved ones resurrected and given an opportunity to gain everlasting life. Then- no more death.
One must live now for entrance into that kingdom, and Jesus taught-Matt 7:21-Only those who live now to do his Fathers will over their own will, get to enter his kingdom. How much value do you put on life everlasting like i have described above? It will be on a earth turned into a paradise( Eden) during that 1000 year reign of Christ. But then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself( 1Cor 15:24-28) then Jehovah is king of eternity.
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Post #21Checkpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:47 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:49 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:50 pmOh?kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:45 pm The bible teaches the coming of Gods kingdom is good news, only the wicked in Gods view need to fear its arrival. It begins for all creation when Jesus leads Gods armies to the earth and wipes out all wickedness. Satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. Then loosed for a little while to test the resurrected who are given a chance to learn and apply Gods will.
During that 1000 year reign of Christ, all things will be made new. Gods original plan-Mortals knowing only good, not aging like now, never sick, diseased, never without, no war, hatred, fear, pain, no mates cheating on one another, no drug addiction or drunkeness, no false god worship, no mortal govts,( Dan 2:44) love will be the motive of every heart to one another, perfect harmony amongst all of Gods creatures( Isaiah 11)--Loved ones resurrected and given an opportunity to gain everlasting life. Then- no more death.
One must live now for entrance into that kingdom, and Jesus taught-Matt 7:21-Only those who live now to do his Fathers will over their own will, get to enter his kingdom. How much value do you put on life everlasting like i have described above? It will be on a earth turned into a paradise( Eden) during that 1000 year reign of Christ. But then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself( 1Cor 15:24-28) then Jehovah is king of eternity.
Everything in my post is in the bible.
If only.
The good news of the kingdom of God certainly is.
However, the message Jesus proclaimed is not what you posted.
Further, your post sets it during the 1000 years of Revelation 20. The Bible does not.
Rather, the bible sets these things in Revelation 21 and 22, after the 1000 years, not during them.
The reason for the 1000 year reign is for all things to go back to perfection, satan is destroyed and Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself-1Cor 15:24-28--The new earth = Gods kingdom rule in full control, no more satan influences ever.
Jesus would have taught everything in the bible given the opportunity.
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Re: Good news of Gods kingdom
Post #22Checkpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:39 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:53 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:21 am [Replying to kjw47 in post #16]
Checkpoint wrote:I now have just one question for you:
Does Jesus cease from being king when he hands the kingdom back to 'my Father and your Father", to "my God and your God"?
kjw47 wrote:I am pretty sure Jesus' kingship stops. YHWH(Jehovah) becomes king as he always was.
If his kingship stops then, what will be his new role?
He is Michael the archangel.
No, he is not Michael the archangel. He never was and never will be.
He is the Son of God, the son of man, and the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
And upon Jesus return, he comes with the voice of the archangel( 1Thess 4:16)-Why? because its his voice. Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days. Rev 6--The ride of the white horse begins( righteous war) that was the war in heaven-- Michael took that ride, but notice-He receives his crown--Only Jesus gets the crown. Then Jesus shown on the white horse( Rev 19:11) leading Gods armies to the earth--its the same ride. It doesnt end until Jesus hands the kingdom back-1Cor 15:24-28)
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Post #23kjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:52 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:39 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:53 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:21 am [Replying to kjw47 in post #16]
Checkpoint wrote:I now have just one question for you:
Does Jesus cease from being king when he hands the kingdom back to 'my Father and your Father", to "my God and your God"?
kjw47 wrote:I am pretty sure Jesus' kingship stops. YHWH(Jehovah) becomes king as he always was.
If his kingship stops then, what will be his new role?
He is Michael the archangel.
No, he is not Michael the archangel. He never was and never will be.
He is the Son of God, the son of man, and the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.^What is this about?And upon Jesus return, he comes with the voice of the archangel( 1Thess 4:16)-Why? because its his voice. Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days. Rev 6--The ride of the white horse begins( righteous war) that was the war in heaven-- Michael took that ride, but notice-He receives his crown--Only Jesus gets the crown. Then Jesus shown on the white horse( Rev 19:11) leading Gods armies to the earth--its the same ride. It doesnt end until Jesus hands the kingdom back-1Cor 15:24-28)
God apparently brought about something He flatly denies. That is, He became the father of "His only-begotten Son, who was also an archangel, a different species of being to man and to God or to the one who is the unique and beloved Son of God.
No way. God specifically tells us what and who this Son of God is, and what angels are, in Hebrews 1:
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father” ?
“Let all God’s angels worship him.” c
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
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Re: Good news of Gods kingdom
Post #24Checkpoint wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:13 amkjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:52 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:39 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:53 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:21 am [Replying to kjw47 in post #16]
Checkpoint wrote:I now have just one question for you:
Does Jesus cease from being king when he hands the kingdom back to 'my Father and your Father", to "my God and your God"?
kjw47 wrote:I am pretty sure Jesus' kingship stops. YHWH(Jehovah) becomes king as he always was.
If his kingship stops then, what will be his new role?
He is Michael the archangel.
No, he is not Michael the archangel. He never was and never will be.
He is the Son of God, the son of man, and the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.^What is this about?And upon Jesus return, he comes with the voice of the archangel( 1Thess 4:16)-Why? because its his voice. Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days. Rev 6--The ride of the white horse begins( righteous war) that was the war in heaven-- Michael took that ride, but notice-He receives his crown--Only Jesus gets the crown. Then Jesus shown on the white horse( Rev 19:11) leading Gods armies to the earth--its the same ride. It doesnt end until Jesus hands the kingdom back-1Cor 15:24-28)
God apparently brought about something He flatly denies. That is, He became the father of "His only-begotten Son, who was also an archangel, a different species of being to man and to God or to the one who is the unique and beloved Son of God.
No way. God specifically tells us what and who this Son of God is, and what angels are, in Hebrews 1:
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father” ?
“Let all God’s angels worship him.” c
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
Worship is error in translating to fit false council teaching. The Greek word= Proskenue, translates- to bow and kiss the feet. 5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2) obesance to a king-3) honor to a judge, plus 2 others. The Israelites knew 100% the messiah has a God-Psalm 45:7--thus bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. Trinity bibles have worship at that spot as well. Obesiance is correct in both spots.
Heb 1:4 is clear. Its because he inherited the name he became better than the angels. Partners at Psalm 45:7=angels.
There are many errors in trinity translations to mislead.
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Post #25kjw47 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:22 pmWith respect, it seems to me we are getting nowhere regarding your claims about Michael the archangel.Checkpoint wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:13 amkjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:52 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:39 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:53 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:21 am [Replying to kjw47 in post #16]
Checkpoint wrote:I now have just one question for you:
Does Jesus cease from being king when he hands the kingdom back to 'my Father and your Father", to "my God and your God"?
kjw47 wrote:I am pretty sure Jesus' kingship stops. YHWH(Jehovah) becomes king as he always was.
If his kingship stops then, what will be his new role?
He is Michael the archangel.
No, he is not Michael the archangel. He never was and never will be.
He is the Son of God, the son of man, and the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.^What is this about?And upon Jesus return, he comes with the voice of the archangel( 1Thess 4:16)-Why? because its his voice. Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in the last days. Rev 6--The ride of the white horse begins( righteous war) that was the war in heaven-- Michael took that ride, but notice-He receives his crown--Only Jesus gets the crown. Then Jesus shown on the white horse( Rev 19:11) leading Gods armies to the earth--its the same ride. It doesnt end until Jesus hands the kingdom back-1Cor 15:24-28)
God apparently brought about something He flatly denies. That is, He became the father of "His only-begotten Son, who was also an archangel, a different species of being to man and to God or to the one who is the unique and beloved Son of God.
No way. God specifically tells us what and who this Son of God is, and what angels are, in Hebrews 1:
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father” ?
“Let all God’s angels worship him.” c
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
Worship is error in translating to fit false council teaching. The Greek word= Proskenue, translates- to bow and kiss the feet. 5 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2) obesance to a king-3) honor to a judge, plus 2 others. The Israelites knew 100% the messiah has a God-Psalm 45:7--thus bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. Trinity bibles have worship at that spot as well. Obesiance is correct in both spots.
Heb 1:4 is clear. Its because he inherited the name he became better than the angels. Partners at Psalm 45:7=angels.
There are many errors in trinity translations to mislead.
What Hebrews 1 says is not about the quality of worship or of its translation by some.
Therefore there is no point in further discussion of it or of Michael.
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Post #26kjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:47 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:47 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:49 pmIt is not what Jesus would teach, but what he did and did not teach.Checkpoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:50 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:45 pm The bible teaches the coming of Gods kingdom is good news, only the wicked in Gods view need to fear its arrival. It begins for all creation when Jesus leads Gods armies to the earth and wipes out all wickedness. Satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. Then loosed for a little while to test the resurrected who are given a chance to learn and apply Gods will.
During that 1000 year reign of Christ, all things will be made new. Gods original plan-Mortals knowing only good, not aging like now, never sick, diseased, never without, no war, hatred, fear, pain, no mates cheating on one another, no drug addiction or drunkeness, no false god worship, no mortal govts,( Dan 2:44) love will be the motive of every heart to one another, perfect harmony amongst all of Gods creatures( Isaiah 11)--Loved ones resurrected and given an opportunity to gain everlasting life. Then- no more death.
One must live now for entrance into that kingdom, and Jesus taught-Matt 7:21-Only those who live now to do his Fathers will over their own will, get to enter his kingdom. How much value do you put on life everlasting like i have described above? It will be on a earth turned into a paradise( Eden) during that 1000 year reign of Christ. But then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself( 1Cor 15:24-28) then Jehovah is king of eternity.
Everything in my post is in the bible.Oh?
If only.
The good news of the kingdom of God certainly is.
However, the message Jesus proclaimed is not what you posted.
Further, your post sets it during the 1000 years of Revelation 20. The Bible does not.
Rather, the bible sets these things in Revelation 21 and 22, after the 1000 years, not during them.The reason for the 1000 year reign is for all things to go back to perfection, satan is destroyed and Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself-1Cor 15:24-28--The new earth = Gods kingdom rule in full control, no more satan influences ever.
Jesus would have taught everything in the bible given the opportunity.
He did not teach any 1,000 year period following his return.
Neither did Peter or Paul or John or James.
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Post #27Checkpoint wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:57 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:47 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:47 pmkjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:49 pmCheckpoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:50 pmIt is not what Jesus would teach, but what he did and did not teach.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:45 pm The bible teaches the coming of Gods kingdom is good news, only the wicked in Gods view need to fear its arrival. It begins for all creation when Jesus leads Gods armies to the earth and wipes out all wickedness. Satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. Then loosed for a little while to test the resurrected who are given a chance to learn and apply Gods will.
During that 1000 year reign of Christ, all things will be made new. Gods original plan-Mortals knowing only good, not aging like now, never sick, diseased, never without, no war, hatred, fear, pain, no mates cheating on one another, no drug addiction or drunkeness, no false god worship, no mortal govts,( Dan 2:44) love will be the motive of every heart to one another, perfect harmony amongst all of Gods creatures( Isaiah 11)--Loved ones resurrected and given an opportunity to gain everlasting life. Then- no more death.
One must live now for entrance into that kingdom, and Jesus taught-Matt 7:21-Only those who live now to do his Fathers will over their own will, get to enter his kingdom. How much value do you put on life everlasting like i have described above? It will be on a earth turned into a paradise( Eden) during that 1000 year reign of Christ. But then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself( 1Cor 15:24-28) then Jehovah is king of eternity.
Everything in my post is in the bible.
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Oh?
If only.
The good news of the kingdom of God certainly is.
However, the message Jesus proclaimed is not what you posted.
Further, your post sets it during the 1000 years of Revelation 20. The Bible does not.
Rather, the bible sets these things in Revelation 21 and 22, after the 1000 years, not during them.The reason for the 1000 year reign is for all things to go back to perfection, satan is destroyed and Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself-1Cor 15:24-28--The new earth = Gods kingdom rule in full control, no more satan influences ever.
Jesus would have taught everything in the bible given the opportunity.
He did not teach any 1,000 year period following his return.
Neither did Peter or Paul or John or James.
Rev 20:6
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Post #28[Replying to kjw47 in post #27]
The Book of Revelation is not a teaching.
It is a series of visions given to John.
Jesus would have taught everything in the bible given the opportunity.
Rev 20:6It is not what Jesus would teach, but what he did and did not teach.
He did not teach any 1,000 year period following his return.
Neither did Peter or Paul or John or James.
The Book of Revelation is not a teaching.
It is a series of visions given to John.
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Post #29Why do you continue to deny the kingdom is present now? Why do you deny that Jesus is King of Kings, Lord of Lords?Why do you deny that He is reigning now? Why do you deny that His true followers are in His kingdom and are reigning with Him?kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:45 pm The bible teaches the coming of Gods kingdom is good news, only the wicked in Gods view need to fear its arrival. It begins for all creation when Jesus leads Gods armies to the earth and wipes out all wickedness. Satan will be abyssed for 1000 years. Then loosed for a little while to test the resurrected who are given a chance to learn and apply Gods will.
During that 1000 year reign of Christ, all things will be made new. Gods original plan-Mortals knowing only good, not aging like now, never sick, diseased, never without, no war, hatred, fear, pain, no mates cheating on one another, no drug addiction or drunkeness, no false god worship, no mortal govts,( Dan 2:44) love will be the motive of every heart to one another, perfect harmony amongst all of Gods creatures( Isaiah 11)--Loved ones resurrected and given an opportunity to gain everlasting life. Then- no more death.
One must live now for entrance into that kingdom, and Jesus taught-Matt 7:21-Only those who live now to do his Fathers will over their own will, get to enter his kingdom. How much value do you put on life everlasting like i have described above? It will be on a earth turned into a paradise( Eden) during that 1000 year reign of Christ. But then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself( 1Cor 15:24-28) then Jehovah is king of eternity.
Why do you continue to deny that when Jesus comes again He will deliver said kingdom to the Father at which time He also will be subject to the Father? Why do you deny what the word of God teaches?
24Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
”For unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24
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Post #30Checkpoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:49 pm [Replying to kjw47 in post #27]
Jesus would have taught everything in the bible given the opportunity.Rev 20:6It is not what Jesus would teach, but what he did and did not teach.
He did not teach any 1,000 year period following his return.
Neither did Peter or Paul or John or James.
The Book of Revelation is not a teaching.
It is a series of visions given to John.
Twisting it because it shows you are wrong wont get you anywhere.