WHO ARE THE ELECT?

[Eddie Ramos]

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to 1213 in post #6]

Who are the righteous and how do they become righteous ?

[Miles]

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So the "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

"Prove" it. Cite the book, chapter, and verse.


As someone once said "There's a far larger qualification that has to be met than just "choosing to believe in Jesus as their Saviour" One has to be CHOSEN."
And just as a matter of beating a dead horse, "elect" is the English word for the Greek "eklektos," which happens to mean "chosen" or "picked out." Of course if you need to cook up some other definition for "elect" in order to make your theology work go right ahead. But first let me turn off the "I care" setting in my brain.

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[myth-one.com]

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So the "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

"Prove" it. Cite the book, chapter, and verse.

So there's a far larger qualification that has to be met than just "choosing to believe in Jesus as their Saviour" One has to be CHOSEN.

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Election in Christianity involves God choosing, electing, or picking out a particular person or group of people to a particular task or relationship, especially eternal life.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Christianity divides humanity into two groups of people: believers and nonbelievers.

The group of believers are the group chosen or elected to have everlasting life.

The group of nonbelievers are the group chosen or elected to perish for all eternity.

Book: John
Chapter: Three (3)
Verse: Sixteen (16)

>>> END OF PROOF <<<

[Eddie Ramos]

eddie ram

This also makes salvation equal all across the board for everyone. For men, women, children, mentally handicapped, infants, fetuses, etc.

Could you elaborate a little on this statement please ?

Of course. This means that God's method of true Salvation meant that God could save anyone whom he had predestined to save, at any point in their lifetime. From conception (like John the Baptist) till the last moments of someone's life (like the thief on the cross). This means that there was nothing required of the one being saved (no voluntary or involuntary requirement to keep any part of the law), except to hear the gospel (The Word of God).

[myth-one.com]

eddie ram

This also makes salvation equal all across the board for everyone. For men, women, children, mentally handicapped, infants, fetuses, etc.

Could you elaborate a little on this statement please ?

Of course. This means that God's method of true Salvation meant that God could save anyone whom he had predestined to save, at any point in their lifetime. From conception (like John the Baptist) till the last moments of someone's life (like the thief on the cross). This means that there was nothing required of the one being saved (no voluntary or involuntary requirement to keep any part of the law), except to hear the gospel (The Word of God).

"Salvation" according to Eddie Ramos:

1. Those elected do not have to believe in Jesus Christ to gain salvation.
   
   
2. Those that strongly believe in Jesus Christ as their Saviour have no chance of salvation if they are not one of the predestined elect.
   
   
3. Mankind has no input into deciding their eternity.

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I'll stick with salvation according to Jesus Christ:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #14]

Okay, what about the mentally handicapped ? Or the deaf and dumb ? Could they be of Gods elect to save and maybe never physically hear the Gospel ?

[Brightfame52]

mythone

"Salvation" according to Eddie Ramos:
Those elected do not have to believe in Jesus Christ to gain salvation.

Those that strongly believe in Jesus Christ as their Saviour have no chance of salvation if they are not one of the predestined elect.

Mankind has no input into deciding their eternity.

I dont believe you are giving an honest or accurate witness here for the poster. Nevertheless to those points,

Those elected are the only ones who will believe in Jesus Christ, thats part of the outcome of election 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Those chosen to salvation are also chosen to believe in Him !

Those who strongly believe in Jesus as you say, do so because they were chosen to salvation and predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ.

And you are correct as to mankind hasn't any input in determining their destiny, that's only Gods prerogative Rom 9 where we read that God has made some individuals to be vessels of wrath, and some individuals to be vessels of mercy, that's Gods right as the Sovereign Potter, and we are His clay. Isa 64:8

But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

[myth-one.com]

mythone

"Salvation" according to Eddie Ramos:
1 - Those elected do not have to believe in Jesus Christ to gain salvation.

2 - Those that strongly believe in Jesus Christ as their Saviour have no chance of salvation if they are not one of the predestined elect.

3 - Mankind has no input into deciding their eternity.

I dont believe you are giving an honest or accurate witness here for the poster.

Which of those three sentences do you object to?

And you are correct as to mankind hasn't any input in determining their destiny, that's only Gods prerogative

That is absolutely false and non-scriptual!!

You have me confused with someone who understands little or nothing about the Bible and it's purpose.

Every man or woman who ever existed will make their individual, informed, personal decision to accept or reject Jesus as their Savior.

The decision is out of God's "hands"!

God has no choice but to grant everlasting life to everyone who believes in Jesus as their Savior!

And God has no choice but to grant everlasting death to everyone who choses to reject Jesus as their Savior!

It's called a covenant or testament between God and mankind.

God must honor the covenants which He makes.

It is best described in the following verse:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[Eddie Ramos]

[Eddie Ramos]