ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED - THE SPIRITUAL REASON WHY

[Eddie Ramos]

[JehovahsWitness]

I showed how Eve typifies the bride of Christ in post #24.

No you didnt, you simply listed a number of scriptures and tied them together with dubious hypothesis. Jesus is explicitly linked to Adam in scripture, literally being named "the last adam". Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.


JW




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[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #30]

You are implying that the GOD judged Eve for being disloyal and disobedient whereas the story appears to say that the GOD judged her for allowing herself to being misinformed and manipulated

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #31]

Off the bat I can name one. She obeyed her husband.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #30]

You are implying that the GOD judged Eve for being disloyal and disobedient whereas the story appears to say that the GOD judged her for allowing herself to being misinformed and manipulated

Where ? Chapter and verse?

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #30]

Where ? Chapter and verse?

Rather than be disingenuous let us all agree that we have access to the story...see for yourself or not.
Show me where the story say's she disobeyed her hubby and I will withdraw my assertion...

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #30]
Show me in the story anywhere where Eve is instructed by this 'Father' you claim she disobeyed, and I will withdraw my assertion.

[JehovahsWitness]

Show me in the story anywhere where Eve is instructed by this 'Father' you claim she disobeyed, and I will withdraw my assertion.

One does not have to be personally instructed by the lawgiver to be guilty of disobedience. The prohibition originated with God, so however Eve's knowledge of the law came about, her disobedience was in direct defiance of the God that issued the prohibition. The text clearly and explicity depicts Eve as disobeying the law.

When Adam defended himself he identified Eve as the one whom God had given, so there is little doubt they were both aware that YHWH (Jehovah) was the Creator of all things; the universal "Father"and lifegiver.

[Eddie Ramos]

[JehovahsWitness]

I showed how Eve typifies the bride of Christ in post #24.

...Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.


JW

I'm not sure why you are asking for specific verses that literally link Eve with the bride of Christ ...

I ask what I did because that is all that stands between solid biblical interpretation and the "hermeneutics on steroids" you have been presenting. If we let the bible interpret itself, without taking leaps, bounds and liberties one is morel likely to find biblical truth.

Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.

... you do believe that David is a type of Christ...yet you can't show one verse that literally links them ...

So ... your point seems to be that you cannot provide the scriptural support requested and that it unfair of me to ask you to. (After all it it COULD be done it would not be unreasonable for me to make the request)

[Eddie Ramos]

I showed how Eve typifies the bride of Christ in post #24.

...Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.


JW

I'm not sure why you are asking for specific verses that literally link Eve with the bride of Christ ...

I ask what I did because that is all that stands between solid biblical interpretation and the "hermeneutics on steroids" you have been presenting. If we let the bible interpret itself, without taking leaps, bounds and liberties one is morel likely to find biblical truth.

Where is EVE ever explicitly named in connection with the bride of Christ? Name (3) specific aspects of Eve's actions that paralle the bride's.

... you do believe that David is a type of Christ...yet you can't show one verse that literally links them ...

So ... your point seems to be that you cannot provide the scriptural support requested and that it unfair of me to ask you to. (After all it it COULD be done it would not be unreasonable for me to make the request)

Wow. You do realize that everyone can follow along with previous posts, right? For you to dodge everything I stated and the scriptures I provided (more than once) and focus your response on repeating yourself, does not, in my estimation, make for a productive discussion. You keep using the argument that I cannot provide scriptural support you requested, but it's all there. You may not like what I presented, but it's there for you and everyone to examine and offer correction from the scriptures if necessary. My point in bringing up David typifying Christ was to show that, the same way there is ample scripture to link him to Christ, without a direct verse that literally says, "David represents Christ", yet you accept this information without a direct statement being present. Yet when it comes to Eve typifying the elect/bride of Christ (as I showed from the scriptures), you insist on there being a direct statement in the scriptures before you will accept it as truth. That's what I called a double standard. Nevertheless, we are going in circles now without making any progress in our discussion.

Everything is laid out in the previous posts. If you find something that you would like to specifically address, then I'm more than willing. All I ask is that you don't treat my answers as if though I never gave them in the first place. Thanks.

[William]

Christian: One does not have to be personally instructed by the lawgiver to be guilty of disobedience.

William: One does however, have to be personally instructed on what the law is, before one can be guilty of breaking said law. Show us who gave Eve the instruction on the law - Where ? Chapter and verse.

Christian: The prohibition originated with God, so however Eve's knowledge of the law came about, her disobedience was in direct defiance of the God that issued the prohibition.

William: Show the evidence to support that Eve knew what the law given, was.
Where ? Chapter and verse?

Christian: The text clearly and explicitly depicts Eve as disobeying the law.

William: Show us the script where Eve was convicted by the lawgiver of being disobedient.
Where ? Chapter and verse.

Christian: When Adam defended himself he identified Eve as the one whom God had given...

William: "Whom GOD had given 'what'?
[Incomplete statements are unhelpful]

Christian: There is little doubt they were both aware that YHWH (Jehovah) was the Creator of all things; the universal "Father"and lifegiver.

William: Show us how Eve was made aware that ??? ?? ???? was the Creator of all things; the universal "Father" and "lifegiver"?
Where ? Chapter and verse.

If what you say can be supported with evidence, I will withdraw my assertions.