What happened in the Tomb?

[Rose2020]

This is a question for those who believe, if we take that as given.
Jesus was dead, his body utterly damaged.
This is conjecture but what processes could have occurred in that tomb from the moment the stone was rolled over blocking the entrance? Friday afternoon until Sunday morning huge events went on in the gloomy darkness. I imagine angels got very very busy. Repair or replacement work had to be done fast, as an earthly body was prepared.

I wonder if there have been any books, theories or explanations. We have a lot of facts and clues that need putting together. The body Jesus was seen in afterwards was not instantly recognisable as Him, until He spoke and confirmed it to those who saw Him - such as on the road to Emmaus. Mary didn't know Him until he spoke. This bears out that fact that our voices do not change even if we transform our physical appearance. A voice is unique. This has implications. No trace of him was found in there, his shroud was empty and neatly folded.

Did He descend to hell and up again? This was a metamorphosis such as happens to butterfly puppae. Inside that hard shell that seems dead, a beautiful new body is being constructed, from the old body.

So let's have a think, put forward your theories, based on what is known.

[Tcg]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #9]

My apologies, I did need to read your reply again
So He had possibly several new bodies. This is indicated as He was not recognized until He spoke and identified himself.

Jesus had several new bodies? What does this even mean. That he could pick and choose which one he wanted to wear on a given day or that there were many different Jesus bodies walking around at the same time? In any case what is the biblical support of either idea?


Tcg

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #5]

Jesus appeared physically to the disciples and ate and drank with them. He cooked breakfast for disciples who were fishing. Thomas doubted, so was invited to touch His scars. Hundreds saw Him. He was not a ghostly spirit. On the road to Emmaus He was flesh and blood, who ate with the two who invited Him into their home.

He was and is real.

If Jesus never went through any of the processes involved in death, particularly those I listed as happening within the first 72 hours; autolysis, then how can it be said he died?

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[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #9]

So He had possibly several new bodies. This is indicated as He was not recognized until He spoke and identified himself.

Jesus had several new bodies? What does this even mean.

It means that evidently the resurrected Christ did not have the same appearance as before his death and that on at least two occassions (possibly more) his appearanced had changed from one encounter to the other.

...were many different Jesus bodies walking around at the same time?

No, bodies do not exist as animated entities seperate from the person , and there is only one Jesus so there would be no reason for Jesus to have have more than one body at any given time.

In any case what is the biblical support of either idea?

See Roses comment above.





JW





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[Rose2020]

[Replying to Tcg in post #11]

Possibly.
We can only guess because people did not recognise Him. I have no idea why he didn't look familiar. They knew him once he spoke, then they were sure - that was when some such as Doubting Thomas saw His wounds.
I am as curious as anyone and have no real answer.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to Tcg in post #11]

Possibly.
We can only guess because people did not recognise Him. I have no idea why he didn't look familiar. They knew him once he spoke, then they were sure - that was when some such as Doubting Thomas saw His wounds.
I am as curious as anyone and have no real answer.

I think Jesus changed bodies /appearances so his disciples could begin to grasp that he was no longer human. This idea of a man dying and coming back as a completely different lifeform was totally foreign to their theology, they probably needed help to grasp this idea.

They must have understood the existence of spirits ( indeed the God they worshipped was one) but that a man could die a human and be raised a spirit was hard ... even some Christians today struggle with the idea believing Jesus was raised a human and then "changed" to being ... "transformed" human. That he was not a human at all after his death is hard for some to get their heads around.

[Rose2020]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #15]

I have a question. When Jesus allowed Doubting Thomas to check that it really was Him, Thomas actually felt the wounds and Jesus are and drank with the Disciples. He proved He was not a spirit.

Luke 24 verse 39.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #15]

I have a question. When Jesus allowed Doubting Thomas to check that it really was Him, Thomas actually felt the wounds and Jesus are and drank with the Disciples. He proved He was not a spirit.

Luke 24 verse 39.

Do you not know that spirits can "materialize" ie take on human form? What did you make of all those bible accounts of angelic visitations in the Hebrew bible ?

Who or rather what were the three "men" that Abraham served in Genesis chapter 18? (Compare Judges chapter 13)

[Rose2020]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #17]

You have a point but Jesus himself is saying He is not a spirit in that verse. He is flesh and blood.
I do not fully understand but I take scripture as it is.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #17]

You have a point but Jesus himself is saying He is not a spirit in that verse. He is flesh and blood.
I do not fully understand but I take scripture as it is.

Ok so what do you learn from the Genesis account of Abraham eating with angels. Try and write'it in a sentence and then write a second sentence about what that might mean regarding the risen Christ appearing in the flesh. Maybe if you wrote it out like in school you will be able to make a connection and come to a conclusion without being told by anyone.

[Rose2020]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #19]

Well yes you could be right. The angels did appear as men who ate and drank with Abraham and Sarah.
It is confusing.