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How to become an angel!

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Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel. :D

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.

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2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:02 am
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:46 am
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:17 am Jesus IS the Word, otherwise show me something the Word did or said in the book of John.
John wrote:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
And the Word became flesh, did it not?
No, the Word was made flesh about 2022 years ago.

It is impossible for an immortal being to become an immortal being. If an immortal being could become immortal and die, then its' immortality was a lie.

During Jesus' lifetime, the Word continued a parallel existence because the Word endures forever -- being God!

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Re: How to become an angel!

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:04 am
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:02 am
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:46 am
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:17 am Jesus IS the Word, otherwise show me something the Word did or said in the book of John.
John wrote:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
And the Word became flesh, did it not?
No, the Word was made flesh about 2022 years ago.

It is impossible for an immortal being to become an immortal being. If an immortal being could become immortal and die, then its' immortality was a lie.

During Jesus' lifetime, the Word continued a parallel existence because the Word endures forever -- being God!
And the flesh that lived among mankind, who was that?
Being born with Immortality of the soul is a lie. There is no scripture that says the Word as a spirit was born with immortality.
However, just because one dies, doesn't mean they can't become immortal.
Also, saying it's impossible for a mortal being to become an immortal being comes from where? It says this nowhere in the Bible. Who teaches this dogma and were did it come from?
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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:32 pm Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel. :D

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.
You presented a fairly decent explanation of the gospel of grace, which was presented by the false prophet Paul, which the daughters of Babylon accept freely, but it is antithetic to the Law and the prophets, as well as Yeshua's message of the kingdom of God, whereas "every one will die for his own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30), and the followers of the "enemy"/"devil", the tares, those who "commit lawlessness" will be cast into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:41-42). As for believing in Me, though they shall die (John 11:25), the crux of that statement, is that one must heed the message of Yeshua, or suffer having their house "fall" (Matthew 7:23-27) & (Isaiah 22:25). The only ones being transformed at the coming of the son of man, are the "righteous" dead, who will rise from their graves to rule with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4). Those who live through the great tribulation will eventually die (Isaiah 65:20). Good try, but no kewpie doll.

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Re: How to become an angel!

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2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:21 pm And the flesh that lived among mankind, who was that?
All mankind is flesh and lives within mankind.

You're probable referring to Jesus Christ.
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:21 pmBeing born with Immortality of the soul is a lie.
I agree, no man is born with immortality. The "immortal soul" is a myth.
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:21 pmThere is no scripture that says the Word as a spirit was born with immortality.
In the beginning was the Word.
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:21 pm However, just because one dies, doesn't mean they can't become immortal.
I agree. But once one becomes immortal, they can no longer die.
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:21 pm Also, saying it's impossible for an immortal being to become an immortal being comes from where?
Why would an immortal being need to become an immortal being? Is two times infinite greater than one times infinity?
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:21 pmIt says this nowhere in the Bible.
I agree.
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:21 pmWho teaches this dogma and were did it come from?
You're the only person I ever heard that from.

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Peace to you,
myth-one.com wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:12 pm
tam wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:45 pm But we will still be human, just in a new body (the spirit body/white robe that has life in it... as opposed to the body we have now, the long garment of skin that has sin and death in it).

Peace again to you.
To gain everlasting life, humans must


Eat from the Tree of Life.
be born a second time as spiritual beings:
Such ones will receive the spirit body/white robe, yes (see previous explanations on what that is).
John 3:6-7 wrote:That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Christians will be born again of the Spirit.
I never claimed otherwise.
And those born of the Spirit are spirits!
They have a new body, the white robe that has life in it... as opposed to this current body that has sin and death in it.
Why do you insist that we will still be human?
Because we are still men(and women). Just in a different/new/better body.
If that were so, we could not enter the Kingdom of God:
[I Corinthians 15:50 wrote:Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;...
THIS flesh and blood (which has sin and death in it) cannot. But the new body (the white robe/spirit body) with ITS blood (holy spirit) CAN.

Why do you insist that we are nothing more than the body that we possess?

Me - the person I am - is not going to change even when I change bodies (like taking off one article of clothing and putting on another article of clothing... aka... taking off the "long garment of skin" that had been given to Adam and Eve, and putting ON the "white robe" which is the new body that we will receive). We are the same person (our thoughts, our personality, our consciousness, etc - everything that makes me ME, and you YOU).

We are not our bodies. We are the person INSIDE the vessel.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
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2ndpillar2 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:24 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:32 pm Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel. :D

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.
You presented a fairly decent explanation of the gospel of grace, which was presented by the false prophet Paul, which the daughters of Babylon accept freely, but it is antithetic to the Law and the prophets, as well as Yeshua's message of the kingdom of God, whereas "every one will die for his own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30), and the followers of the "enemy"/"devil", the tares, those who "commit lawlessness" will be cast into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:41-42). As for believing in Me, though they shall die (John 11:25), the crux of that statement, is that one must heed the message of Yeshua, or suffer having their house "fall" (Matthew 7:23-27) & (Isaiah 22:25). The only ones being transformed at the coming of the son of man, are the "righteous" dead, who will rise from their graves to rule with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4). Those who live through the great tribulation will eventually die (Isaiah 65:20). Good try, but no kewpie doll.
Hi, 2ndpillar2.

Yes, the path to everlasting life under the New Testament is antithetical to that of the Old Testament.

Under the Old Testament a person had to never violated any of God's laws to gain everlasting life. After Jesus died, we fell under the grace of Jesus Christ for our salvation, not our works to fulfill the law. So sin no longer controls our salvation:

Romans 6:14 wrote:For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

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tam wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:45 pm But we will still be human, just in a new body (the spirit body . . .
Hi Tam,

You are absolutely correct that when believers enter the Kingdom of God we have spiritual bodies!

We have spiritual bodies because we have been born of the Spirit (God), and that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit.

And since we are spirits, we are no longer humans -- as humans are born of the flesh, and are thus flesh bodies, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God!

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:12 pm
tam wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:45 pm But we will still be human, just in a new body (the spirit body . . .
Hi Tam,

You are absolutely correct that when believers enter the Kingdom of God we have spiritual bodies!

We have spiritual bodies because we have been born of the Spirit (God), and that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit.

And since we are spirits, we are no longer humans -- as humans are born of the flesh, and are thus flesh bodies, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God!
Flesh and blood will die. As per Jeremiah 31:30, you will die for your own transgressions. Your false prophet Paul, is dead. If you entered into the kingdom of heaven, which is power and spirit, how many have you raised from the dead, healed, or cast out demons from? (Matthew 10:6-8) Reality doesn't coincide with your rhetoric. Yeshua was the son of man, who was anointed, a spiritual man, who preached the kingdom, and yet you say he died. How exactly have you escaped your coming death? Those "born of God", cannot sin (1 John 3:9).

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:40 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:21 pm And the flesh that lived among mankind, who was that?
All mankind is flesh and lives within mankind.

You're probable referring to Jesus Christ.
The Word became flesh and lived with mankind. Yes the Word is Jesus.

"Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human." Philippians 2:5-7

Jesus, the Word, was a spirit and became human.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:29 pm How exactly have you escaped your coming death?
The first "death" is appointed to all mankind:
Hebrews 9:27 wrote:And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
2ndpillar2 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:29 pmThose "born of God", cannot sin (1 John 3:9).
Why can't they?

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