WHY SHOULD WE TRUST GOD?

[aapatil@cox.net]

WHY SHOULD WE TRUST GOD?
We trust God for the following reasons:1) He is meek and humble, and made the ultimate, and most painful and humiliating sacrifice on the cross to bring us eternal life, although we betrayed him through our sins. 2) He healed the broken hearted, forgave sinners and those who were killing Him without condemning them. 3) He fed the hungry and healed the sick. 4) In the beauty and harmony of His creation we see an infinitely intelligent and loving God. 5) He made us like Him by giving us the ability to unconditionally love others and be creative.
Sometimes, we doubt Him when we see pain, suffering and injustice. However, God had to allow pain and suffering, which is the result of sin in the world, because He gave us a free will so that we can choose love and have peace and joy for all eternity. The suffering of this world will be nothing compared to heaven for all eternity. Furthermore, He took the suffering of all of us on the cross so that we will repent for our sins and have eternal life. Sometimes our prayers appear to go unanswered. God however always does what is best for us in the long run, although it is not apparent to us immediately.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to aapatil@cox.net in post #1]

WHY SHOULD WE TRUST GOD?

For no other reason that 'because the bible says so', be this 'saying' coming directly from the bible of those that teach from it.
Fear also plays a part, as does guilt. If one bows to either of those (or either or) they can cause one to trust god. If one doesn't bow to those (or either or), they may put their trust in to something else. Or nothing.
Personally, the modern christian god, to me, only has fear going for it. Why would I trust something out of fear? And is it real trust, or simply a means to CYA, as they say?

[Veridican]

We are alive now and for all we know it's all we will get.

No, it's for all you know. I know more than you, apparently.

Living this life based on what will allegedly happen after we die is....... well....... stupid.

Living life with the belief that there is no afterlife is...well...pointless. If everyone comes from nonexistence and then returns to nonexistence, and that's truly it. We all might as well be dead now. There is no sense in holding on to anything that is not eternal.

Promises from religious gurus are a dime a dozen. None of them can demonstrate that they speak the truth. They simply prey on the desperate and the gullible, or those who have been thoroughly indoctrinated from birth to believe in gods and demons and the notion of never having to really die. But, everything dies. That's the nature of the universe. Even it will die eventually.

Well then, we might as well die today. One day's as good as the next.

But I do want to answer you on two things:

a) I have an argument for the existence of God right here in this forum that has never been refuted, can't be refuted, and is proof that God exists. It was immediately moved from the philosophy section and promptly placed in the "ramblings" section. It got a couple of comments and then was largely ignored as it always is by atheists because it blows up their sacred cow. So, don't lump me in with the others on that.

b) I have scientific proof that consciousness is not generated from the brain and therefore it is utterly unreasonable to expect it can be extinguished by the death of the organism. It's original research I did in college and later found was backed up by peer-reviewed scientific papers. Why don't you hear about this in biology textbooks? Why hasn't David Chalmer taken it up? Your guess is as good as mine. But then a lot of things astound me (How I could have been the first to write a Gospel harmony with Thomas included, how I could have been the first to start Veridicanism, etc.)

[brunumb]

We are alive now and for all we know it's all we will get.

No, it's for all you know. I know more than you, apparently.

No, it's not really apparent. No doubt you think you know more, but how do you distinguish between what is real and what is imaginary. There are many self-deluded people in the world who think they know things that others don't.

Living life with the belief that there is no afterlife is...well...pointless. If everyone comes from nonexistence and then returns to nonexistence, and that's truly it. We all might as well be dead now. There is no sense in holding on to anything that is not eternal.

Not if you value your existence even if it is just temporary. I doubt that anyone can truly conceive of an eternal existence. Imagine having to praise God forever. Yikes. And they say there is no hell. If eternal existence awaits, you might as well be dead now and bypass all the earthly pain and suffering for never-ending bliss.

Well then, we might as well die today. One day's as good as the next.

But then we will not be us anymore. I like being me. Like everyone who has ever been, I will be gone soon enough. That's the way life works. No magical kingdom waiting on the other side.

a) I have an argument for the existence of God right here in this forum that has never been refuted, can't be refuted, and is proof that God exists. It was immediately moved from the philosophy section and promptly placed in the "ramblings" section. It got a couple of comments and then was largely ignored as it always is by atheists because it blows up their sacred cow. So, don't lump me in with the others on that.

I eagerly await the day you and your irrefutable proof make the cover of every worthwhile publication in the world and you receive your Nobel prize. Until then, it is probably appropriate that your alleged proof resides among other ramblings in some obscure corner of the internet.

b) I have scientific proof that consciousness is not generated from the brain and therefore it is utterly unreasonable to expect it can be extinguished by the death of the organism. It's original research I did in college and later found was backed up by peer-reviewed scientific papers. Why don't you hear about this in biology textbooks? Why hasn't David Chalmer taken it up? Your guess is as good as mine.

See above. My guess is that it isn't worth the paper it's written on and that others, more knowledgeable than myself, see it in the same light.

But then a lot of things astound me (How I could have been the first to write a Gospel harmony with Thomas included, how I could have been the first to start Veridicanism, etc.)

There are about 8 billion people in the world and there will always be a few who see themselves as the next best religious guru after Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, L. Ron Hubbard just to name a few. In fact, here's a list of new religious movements for you to peruse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... _movements

So many different 'truths' to choose from and always a few needy people who will relinquish reason and get sucked into the vortex. I didn't see Dunning-Kruger on the list. Oh, wait. That's something else.

Anyway, I daresay you hope to see yourself on that list in the near future.

[Purple Knight]

I have scientific proof that consciousness is not generated from the brain and therefore it is utterly unreasonable to expect it can be extinguished by the death of the organism. It's original research I did in college and later found was backed up by peer-reviewed scientific papers. Why don't you hear about this in biology textbooks? Why hasn't David Chalmer taken it up? Your guess is as good as mine. But then a lot of things astound me (How I could have been the first to write a Gospel harmony with Thomas included, how I could have been the first to start Veridicanism, etc.)

You probably do. Some of it. Some of consciousness is not stored in the brain. Memories might not be.

You'd be fascinated to watch this.



This doesn't show souls transmigrating, but it may well be evidence that memories might not be stored in the brain.

Particularly pay attention to the tale of Dorothy Edy.

[Veridican]

Particularly pay attention to the tale of Dorothy Edy.

I will watch this later. But I have researched reincarnation thoroughly, and I personally believe it happens. It's not an article of faith of the Veridican religion, but neither is it opposed. But that's pretty much it with me. I have past life memories. I have a past life that I somewhat remember immediately preceeding this one, and then I believe I am also the disciple who was called Andrew. But that's it. It really doesn't mean much now, and if I have been reincarnated it is only to serve God's purposes on earth, so that's it. What matters now is what I do...now.

[Veridican]

No, it's not really apparent. No doubt you think you know more, but how do you distinguish between what is real and what is imaginary. There are many self-deluded people in the world who think they know things that others don't.

Like I said. I can back mine up.

Not if you value your existence even if it is just temporary. I doubt that anyone can truly conceive of an eternal existence. Imagine having to praise God forever. Yikes. And they say there is no hell. If eternal existence awaits, you might as well be dead now and bypass all the earthly pain and suffering for never-ending bliss.

Eternal life isn't for everyone. Very few ever enter into eternal life--given all the people who have lived, that is.

But then we will not be us anymore. I like being me. Like everyone who has ever been, I will be gone soon enough. That's the way life works. No magical kingdom waiting on the other side.

For you, that may be exactly right. You may be a good enough person that you will simply "perish" upon death, as opposed to going to hell. God help you, however (pun intended) if you were ever a Christian and ever believed in Jesus Christ in the past. If that's the case, then you have abandoned Christ, just like the apostles did. Just like I did. If that's the case, then you have only this life to repent, or hell awaits. How long you would be in hell before your destruction, I don't know. I hope that's not the case for you. Hopefully, you will just perish like you desire to do. For the record, I am not pronouncing hell on you. I am not your judge, and I have my own mountain of sin to worry about. My hope for you, if you cannot believe, is that you simply perish upon death.

I eagerly await the day you and your irrefutable proof make the cover of every worthwhile publication in the world and you receive your Nobel prize. Until then, it is probably appropriate that your alleged proof resides among other ramblings in some obscure corner of the internet.

Whatever. I told you where it is. I have defeated your atheism, and I know it. I couldn't care less if you know it or not.

See above. My guess is that it isn't worth the paper it's written on and that others, more knowledgeable than myself, see it in the same light.

It's backed up by peer-reviewed scientific research. But you choose to keep your head buried in the sand. You CHOOSE to do that. You NEED to be an atheist for whatever reason. Don't ever try to convince me that you're simply too rational to believe.

There are about 8 billion people in the world and there will always be a few who see themselves as the next best religious guru after Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, L. Ron Hubbard just to name a few. In fact, here's a list of new religious movements for you to peruse:

You lose. And you bloody well know it. You lose. Your atheism is NOTHING.

[alexxcJRO]

For you, that may be exactly right. You may be a good enough person that you will simply "perish" upon death, as opposed to going to hell. God help you, however (pun intended) if you were ever a Christian and ever believed in Jesus Christ in the past. If that's the case, then you have abandoned Christ, just like the apostles did. Just like I did. If that's the case, then you have only this life to repent, or hell awaits. How long you would be in hell before your destruction, I don't know. I hope that's not the case for you. Hopefully, you will just perish like you desire to do. For the record, I am not pronouncing hell on you. I am not your judge, and I have my own mountain of sin to worry about. My hope for you, if you cannot believe, is that you simply perish upon death.

It baffles me how can someone believe in magical stories of damnations, of hell torments in 2022.

Imagine how nice will laugh an immortal human 10.000 years in the future with countless clones at his/her disposal(where he/she just transfers consciousness) or an immortal human with a synthetic body made out of almost indestructible alloys if he/she stumbles on this comment by mistake in a archival storage of the internet from 2022 while he/she is cruising through the cosmos. Where his/her only problems are how to escape the heath death of the universe.

[brunumb]

No, it's not really apparent. No doubt you think you know more, but how do you distinguish between what is real and what is imaginary. There are many self-deluded people in the world who think they know things that others don't.

Like I said. I can back mine up.

Not if you value your existence even if it is just temporary. I doubt that anyone can truly conceive of an eternal existence. Imagine having to praise God forever. Yikes. And they say there is no hell. If eternal existence awaits, you might as well be dead now and bypass all the earthly pain and suffering for never-ending bliss.

Eternal life isn't for everyone. Very few ever enter into eternal life--given all the people who have lived, that is.

But then we will not be us anymore. I like being me. Like everyone who has ever been, I will be gone soon enough. That's the way life works. No magical kingdom waiting on the other side.

For you, that may be exactly right. You may be a good enough person that you will simply "perish" upon death, as opposed to going to hell. God help you, however (pun intended) if you were ever a Christian and ever believed in Jesus Christ in the past. If that's the case, then you have abandoned Christ, just like the apostles did. Just like I did. If that's the case, then you have only this life to repent, or hell awaits. How long you would be in hell before your destruction, I don't know. I hope that's not the case for you. Hopefully, you will just perish like you desire to do. For the record, I am not pronouncing hell on you. I am not your judge, and I have my own mountain of sin to worry about. My hope for you, if you cannot believe, is that you simply perish upon death.

I eagerly await the day you and your irrefutable proof make the cover of every worthwhile publication in the world and you receive your Nobel prize. Until then, it is probably appropriate that your alleged proof resides among other ramblings in some obscure corner of the internet.

Whatever. I told you where it is. I have defeated your atheism, and I know it. I couldn't care less if you know it or not.

See above. My guess is that it isn't worth the paper it's written on and that others, more knowledgeable than myself, see it in the same light.

It's backed up by peer-reviewed scientific research. But you choose to keep your head buried in the sand. You CHOOSE to do that. You NEED to be an atheist for whatever reason. Don't ever try to convince me that you're simply too rational to believe.

There are about 8 billion people in the world and there will always be a few who see themselves as the next best religious guru after Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, L. Ron Hubbard just to name a few. In fact, here's a list of new religious movements for you to peruse:

You lose. And you bloody well know it. You lose. Your atheism is NOTHING.

Sadly, not a shred of evidence to demonstrate that any of what you claim is true. Without that, you are just another in a long line of self-proclaimed religious gurus with nothing to offer but empty claims and veiled threats. You have defeated nothing. My atheism is founded in reality, not in ancient fantasy fiction.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to brunumb in post #28]

Veridican

You lose. And you bloody well know it. You lose. Your atheism is NOTHING.

Sadly, not a shred of evidence to demonstrate that any of what you claim is true. Without that, you are just another in a long line of self-proclaimed religious gurus with nothing to offer but empty claims and veiled threats. You have defeated nothing. My atheism is founded in reality, not in ancient fantasy fiction.

I don't know about anyone else, but I always find it distasteful when those who think they're right take pleasure in others not being right in their eyes.
But, when you don't have anything tactile to offer, I suppose, in anger and fear, this is one typical response.
Still.....it's distasteful.

[Veridican]

It baffles me how can someone believe in magical stories of damnations, of hell torments in 2022.

Well, it tends to confound the blind.

Imagine how nice will laugh an immortal human 10.000 years in the future with countless clones at his/her disposal(where he/she just transfers consciousness) or an immortal human with a synthetic body made out of almost indestructible alloys if he/she stumbles on this comment by mistake in a archival storage of the internet from 2022 while he/she is cruising through the cosmos. Where his/her only problems are how to escape the heath death of the universe.

You just blathered that science fiction after mocking me for what I believe. Incredible. Absolutely incredible.