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Jehovah's Witnesses And Blood

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After reading another thread mentioning Jehovah's Witnesses I became interested in their beliefs about blood. They reject blood transfusions and don't eat meat with more than a trace of blood in it. Searching around a bit I came across the following from a pro-JW web site.


"Do Jehovah's Witnesses Eat Red Meat Since it May Contain a Trace of Blood?

Though Christians are to abstain from blood (Acts 15:29), the Bible shows that the eating of flesh by Christians is proper, for God Himself told us that we could eat meat from "every animal". "Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU." (Gen. 9:3)

But God commanded that before eating the flesh of an animal, his people were to pour out its blood on the ground and cover it with dust, being careful not to eat the blood, on pain of death. (Deut. 12:23-25; Lev. 7:27) This is our way for us to show respect for God's view of life.

So when someone carefully takes the strict precautions that God outlined by making sure that an animal is properly bled before consumption, they wouldn't be breaking God's command of eating blood. Since God Himself has issued these directions, obviously, if properly done, God does not have a problem with eating the meat from "every animal".

People can rest assured that nearly all blood is removed from meat during slaughter, which is why you don’t see blood in raw “white meat”; only an extremely small amount of blood remains within the muscle tissue when you get it from the store. (Also see: The Red Juice in Raw Meat is Not Blood (todayifoundit.com)"
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However, from a comprehensive explanation of the slaughtering of animals: (I urge anyone who's interested to access the link below)

"Blood loss as a percentage of body weight differs between species: cows, 4.2 to 5.7%; calves, 4.4 to 6.7%; sheep, 4.4 to 7.6%; and pigs, 1.5 to 5.8%. Blood content as a percentage of live weight may decrease in heavier animals since the growth of blood volume does not keep pace with growth of live weight. Approximately 60% of blood is lost at sticking *, 20-25% remains in the viscera, while a maximum of 10% may remain in carcass muscles."
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So my question is, if the muscle (meat) can contain up to 10% of an animal's blood wouldn't this make it unacceptable to Jehovah's Witnesses?



*"Cattle and pigs are usually exsanguinated [drained of blood] by a puncture wound which opens the major blood vessels at the base of the neck, not far from the heart. The trade name for this process is sticking"
Source: ibid.



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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And Blood

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Purple Knight wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:47 pm [Replying to Purple Knight in post #89]

Very very odd that Joey should post this just a bit after I posted the above. My answer to the below is, there wouldn't be that vampire. In a universe where vampire lore is reality, and is consistent, they don't start being formed until there are already Christians.
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The timing is purely coincidental. I just thought it was funny.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:27 pmThe timing is purely coincidental. I just thought it was funny.
One thing I've noticed about this forum is that different threads often come together like this, the same concept come to in one as in another, the debating users not even knowing about it. It's very very weird.

Why did what JW said make me make the connection to this weird bit of vampire lore being a silly concept unless you understand that the Christian canon is part of any consistent vampire canon? And why did you happen to come across that very thing within a day? Very very weird.

I haven't seen this phenomenon happen anywhere else, even on forums with similar populations, even on other forums with similar populations and what I call "category bloat" that causes users to often miss topics they might be interested in.
Purple Knight wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:54 pm
Paul of Tarsus wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:02 pmAnyway, it's claims like yours that make a mockery of God. Atheists and other skeptics have fodder to ridicule theism as childish and delusional if not dangerous. They realize that no real God is going to pick out special people to "listen" to him, or if he did, then he'd make sure his knowledge and power is evident. God doesn't want to make people talk and act as if they're either lying or off their rockers.
Increasingly a lot of threads on this forum are related. This is heavily related to my thread on whether morality can be a guessing game.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=38210

If you believe God is fair, no, no it can't. Morality can't be a guessing game. A fair god does not run lotteries with salvation as the prize.

Therefore, in a world of liars, god would also not send people to give his words out who would simply have to be trusted. For then, how would I pick that fellow over a liar?

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Purple Knight wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:55 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:27 pmThe timing is purely coincidental. I just thought it was funny.
One thing I've noticed about this forum is that different threads often come together like this, the same concept come to in one as in another, the debating users not even knowing about it. It's very very weird.

Why did what JW said make me make the connection to this weird bit of vampire lore being a silly concept unless you understand that the Christian canon is part of any consistent vampire canon? And why did you happen to come across that very thing within a day? Very very weird.

I haven't seen this phenomenon happen anywhere else, even on forums with similar populations, even on other forums with similar populations and what I call "category bloat" that causes users to often miss topics they might be interested in.
Purple Knight wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:54 pm
Paul of Tarsus wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:02 pmAnyway, it's claims like yours that make a mockery of God. Atheists and other skeptics have fodder to ridicule theism as childish and delusional if not dangerous. They realize that no real God is going to pick out special people to "listen" to him, or if he did, then he'd make sure his knowledge and power is evident. God doesn't want to make people talk and act as if they're either lying or off their rockers.
Increasingly a lot of threads on this forum are related. This is heavily related to my thread on whether morality can be a guessing game.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=38210

If you believe God is fair, no, no it can't. Morality can't be a guessing game. A fair god does not run lotteries with salvation as the prize.

Therefore, in a world of liars, god would also not send people to give his words out who would simply have to be trusted. For then, how would I pick that fellow over a liar?
The Bible is clear on how we should worship. It's all right there in front of us. The problem comes when people change verses by throwing in punctuation that doesn't belong there, or by punctuation's absence that should be there, and by ignoring a vast amount of Scripture. Many verses are taken at face value at times when they must coincide with other verses to make sense of the matter, but other passages are ignored by many. For example, "God" might be mentioned in one verse. Who is this God? Many would say "Jesus," but they ignore what the verse just above says about "Jehovah," recognized by the Tetragrammaton YHWH. In other words, people are being taught nonsense so that certain religious people can have power and wealth.

It is necessary for people to really study the Bible, hopefully from manuscripts that are the oldest available, and get the original author's viewpoint. Most of us don't know Hebrew or Greek, so we have to rely on excellent translations, and it is possible to find the best one if we keep searching, and not rely totally on our priest's or pastor's opinions. It is not the Bible's or God's fault that men have screwed around with the Bible and made it confusing.
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onewithhim wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:54 pmIt is not the Bible's or God's fault that men have screwed around with the Bible and made it confusing.
It's not. But if all of this is real, this would be the ONE thing I would legitimately expect God to strike people with a lightning bolt for trying to do: Tamper with people's understanding of what God wants.

It can be hard to make the right choice, that's fine, but it shouldn't be impossible to find out what the right choice is. If God lets people tamper with the Bible, you can get that situation where people legitimately trying to do the right thing, are doing the wrong thing because of misinformation.

I'm not going to say God wouldn't allow suffering, because we might not be conscious if we couldn't suffer. I'm not going to say God wouldn't test us, do horrible things to us, torture us, maim us, make us despair that he doesn't exist on purpose to see if people will do the right thing in absence of consequences or rewards.

A fair God would NOT hide from us, what is right, and what is wrong.

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:54 pmThe problem comes when people change verses by throwing in punctuation that doesn't belong there, or by punctuation's presence that shouldn't be there, and by ignoring a vast amount of Scripture.
Like 1 Samuel 28?
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Difflugia wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:18 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:54 pmThe problem comes when people change verses by throwing in punctuation that doesn't belong there, or by punctuation's presence that shouldn't be there, and by ignoring a vast amount of Scripture.
Like 1 Samuel 28?
The key there is the "vast amount of Scripture" that is ignored. There is a ton of information in the Bible that shows what God's view of mediums and the search to speak to the dead is and what shape Saul's conscience was for him to seek out a witch.

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Purple Knight wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:16 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:54 pmIt is not the Bible's or God's fault that men have screwed around with the Bible and made it confusing.
It's not. But if all of this is real, this would be the ONE thing I would legitimately expect God to strike people with a lightning bolt for trying to do: Tamper with people's understanding of what God wants.

It can be hard to make the right choice, that's fine, but it shouldn't be impossible to find out what the right choice is. If God lets people tamper with the Bible, you can get that situation where people legitimately trying to do the right thing, are doing the wrong thing because of misinformation.

I'm not going to say God wouldn't allow suffering, because we might not be conscious if we couldn't suffer. I'm not going to say God wouldn't test us, do horrible things to us, torture us, maim us, make us despair that he doesn't exist on purpose to see if people will do the right thing in absence of consequences or rewards.

A fair God would NOT hide from us, what is right, and what is wrong.
And I explained in a previous post that God is NOT hiding from us what is right and what is wrong. He knows, too, that we can find the truth if we search for it. Doesn't Christ say, "Keep on asking and it shall be given you; keep on seeking and you shall find; keep on knocking and it shall be opened to you"? (Matthew 7:7)

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:27 pmThe key there is the "vast amount of Scripture" that is ignored. There is a ton of information in the Bible that shows what God's view of mediums and the search to speak to the dead is and what shape Saul's conscience was for him to seek out a witch.
So, how much of this vast amount of scripture must agree with you before you can change what the other verses mean?
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Difflugia wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:27 pmThe key there is the "vast amount of Scripture" that is ignored. There is a ton of information in the Bible that shows what God's view of mediums and the search to speak to the dead is and what shape Saul's conscience was for him to seek out a witch.
So, how much of this vast amount of scripture must agree with you before you can change what the other verses mean?
If the vast amount of Scripture agrees with me, then the verses in question would have to agree with the majority of passages. I would have no problem in putting quotation marks around "Samuel."

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:13 pmIf the vast amount of Scripture agrees with me, then the verses in question would have to agree with the majority of passages. I would have no problem in putting quotation marks around "Samuel."
Are you sure about that? There are more verses in 1 Samuel 28 that say that the spirit was Samuel than verses used as prooftexts to claim it's not.
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