The 144,000 in JW theology

[Wootah]

My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

Is that correct?

There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/

Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?

[Eloi]

When you can identify the identity of Jehovah and Jesus, you can more clearly perceive the difference in roles in the selection of the 144,000 and who they will serve in heaven. When Jesus was on earth, his special treatment with his apostles gives us an idea of what their relationship will be in heaven. The relationship between Jesus and the 144,000 should not be confused with the relationship of both parties to Jehovah God. Read the last passages I quoted before.

Have a good night.

[tam]

Peace to you,

The Bride (the Church, the Body of Christ), also known as the New Jerusalem, comes down OUT OF heaven.

I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. Rev 21:2

The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name. Rev 3:12

Revelation is highly symbolic, just as Christ's bride is neither a literal woman nor a literal city, the 144,000 do not literally come "down" onto the earth, rather this symbolises they direct their "down"* attention to the earth.

So goes the claim of the WTS, I know.

Of course - going back to the bottom line - this claim and this interpretation teaches people to refuse to partake of the body and blood of Christ. This from men who can (and have) made mistakes in their interpretations.


What I have shared as I have learned from my Lord on this matter does not contradict His teaching (not even in what is written), nor even the apostles teaching, nor does it lead me to disobey His command.

The WTS is the one teaching something different, something that was not taught by Christ or the apostles, something that no one can ever point to in what is written. Because it is not there.

* heaven isnt literally "up" as it is actually another realm.

The New Jerusalem doesn't just come down, she comes down OUT OF heaven.

Plus, Christ went UP (literally) just before a cloud hid him from his apostles' sight, in order to ascend INTO heaven.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[tam]

Peace to you,

When you can identify the identity of Jehovah and Jesus, you can more clearly perceive the difference in roles in the selection of the 144,000 and who they will serve in heaven.

Perhaps you need to read through my posts more? Or at least point out what you think I have been mistaken about, because as it stands, I don't know what you are referring to.

Christ Jaheshua (His name was never "Jesus") is the Son and Holy One of His Father (whose name is JAH... Psalm 68:4). The Most Holy One of Israel is the God and Father of Christ.

When Jesus was on earth, his special treatment with his apostles gives us an idea of what their relationship will be in heaven. The relationship between Jesus and the 144,000 should not be confused with the relationship of both parties to Jehovah God. Read the last passages I quoted before.

Sorry, but I am not sure what you think has been confused.

Have a good night.

You as well.


Peace again to you!

[JehovahsWitness]

The New Jerusalem doesn't just come down, she comes down OUT OF heaven.

Please see edit. I didnt think this point was worth an entire new post.
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[JehovahsWitness]

When you can identify the identity of Jehovah and Jesus, you can more clearly perceive the difference in roles in the selection of the 144,000 and who they will serve in heaven. When Jesus was on earth, his special treatment with his apostles gives us an idea of what their relationship will be in heaven. The relationship between Jesus and the 144,000 should not be confused with the relationship of both parties to Jehovah God. Read the last passages I quoted before.

Have a good night.

Some wonderful posting Eloi, thank you.

I'm currently listening to Brother Cook's talk on the Annual Meeting 2022 (Jan 2022); really so thrilling!

[Sherlock Holmes]

My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

Is that correct?

There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/

Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?

Their eschatology has changed many times over the years, inconsistency and confusion abound.



So it all depends when you ask.

[JehovahsWitness]

So it all depends when you ask.

Unless you have a time machine one can only ask now (or not ask and wait)

Why are Jehovah's Witnesses delighted when their organisation changes their beliefs?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 31#p951631


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[2timothy316]

My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

Is that correct?

There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/

Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?

Their eschatology has changed many times over the years, inconsistency and confusion abound.

So it all depends when you ask.

At least Witness do change. I wouldn't be a part of a religion that didn't. I'm not confused at all. I know of all the changes and why they were changed. I wouldn't be surprised at more changes to come.
There are many that keep doctrines that people know are false but still follow them like they were true. Like a certain holiday that just past.
Bottom line is just because people don't start off having a clear picture of what is to come doesn't make them false prophets. Otherwise no one would look at the 10 day forecast on weather websites.

[JehovahsWitness]

At least Witness do change. I wouldn't be a part of a religion that didn't. I'm not confused at all. I know of all the changes and why they were changed. I wouldn't be surprised at more changes to come.
There are many that keep doctrines that people know are false but still follow them like they were true. Like a certain holiday that just past.
Bottom line is just because people don't start off having a clear picture of what is to come doesn't make them false prophets. Otherwise no one would look at the 10 day forecast on weather websites.

Couldn't agree more! On the one hand people criticise religion because they say its old and crusty and stuck in its ways, and then they get all hysterical because we dont hold to beliefs we had back in 1884!

The expression "get over it, we have !" comes to mind.



JW

[Sherlock Holmes]

My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

Is that correct?

There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/

Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?

Their eschatology has changed many times over the years, inconsistency and confusion abound.

So it all depends when you ask.

At least Witness do change. I wouldn't be a part of a religion that didn't. I'm not confused at all. I know of all the changes and why they were changed. I wouldn't be surprised at more changes to come.
There are many that keep doctrines that people know are false but still follow them like they were true. Like a certain holiday that just past.
Bottom line is just because people don't start off having a clear picture of what is to come doesn't make them false prophets. Otherwise no one would look at the 10 day forecast on weather websites.

What is taught is what human leaders want to teach, that's the reality here, people in charge, people that others have decided to submit to, decide doctrine.

This and many other "organized" institutions are human led organizations, they are glorified social clubs where conformity is required.

Like pretty much every such organization they have their own specific "statement of beliefs".

I too have a statement of beliefs it is called "The Bible" nothing more, nothing less, nothing added, nothing removed.