The 144,000 in JW theology

[Wootah]

My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

Is that correct?

There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/

Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #2]
Tam, based on what I have read from your posts, your intention is to criticize Witnesses for our beliefs and its effects in our community, based on the fact that we have misunderstood some biblical issue in the past.

This is incorrect.

My intention is to bear witness to Christ (the Truth). This can certainly include discussing various doctrines and the verses being used or misused to support those doctrines.

(...)

As you said before "That is just a claim (others make the same claim). "

Of course it is a claim (though I think it has been demonstrated on this forum these past many years). It is my claim about my intentions. In rebuttal to your claim about my intentions.

Since you have no intention of talking about the 144000 issue so that you can demonstrate what concerns the topic here, that we are wrong about it ... I have nothing more to add.

Here you go trying to tell me about my intentions again. Yet I HAVE tried talking about the 144 000 issue, even in the past two responses with you. I even gave you the exact posts and a quote from one of them as to why the 144 000 doctrine of the jws, is/must be wrong. Yet you did not address it. Perhaps you cannot see it. I don't know. It boggles the mind.


Regardless, it is there for anyone else reading.

May you have the peace that you wish for me.

Thank you, and peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #384]

The house of Israel remains scattered among the nations (Ezekiel 36:19) and was never released from Babylon.

So Ezra 1:1-3 is a lie?
Who left "In the first year of King Cyrus of Persia."? Why is Jehovah called the God of Israel and not the God of Judah?

Why is Ezra chapter 2 describe those leaving Babylon and settling in cities as Israelites? (Ezra 2:70)

You still have not answered the question of when the exiles left Babylon.
What year were the exiles released from Babylon?

[JehovahsWitness]

To be fair, the reason Jesus only invited members of the new convenant to eat and drink the memorial bread and wine is related to the 144,000. As has been explained many times, Jesus thus instructed because only those under that convenant arrangement were authorised by holy spirit to do so.



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MEMORIAL EMBLEMS, HEAVEN and ...THE RANSOM

[Eloi]

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #384]

The house of Israel remains scattered among the nations (Ezekiel 36:19) and was never released from Babylon.

So Ezra 1:1-3 is a lie?
Who left "In the first year of King Cyrus of Persia."? Who was to "rebuild the house of Jehovah the God of Israel"? No one? Why is Jehovah still being called the God of Israel?

The "God of Israel" is the God of Jacob, who was called "Israel", and whose whole house of Israel was divided into two houses, the house of Judah and the house of Israel. The whole house of Israel will be rebuilt according to Ezekiel 37 when the sticks of Judah and Ephraim/Israel, will be untied under the "My servant David". That has not happened, and the two houses remain separate. The house of Israel remains scattered among the nations, and Judah and Jerusalem have been revived in 1948 (Joel 3:1) by way of Rome/iron, in the form of Germany, and the clay, in the form of the Ottomans being defeated by Great Britain at the battle of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), and later in the 2nd WW, whereas the U.S. and Britain crushed the Germans/Iron and Italians. Later the Jews/Judah crushed the Russians/iron, and the Muslims/clay in the 1967 & 73 Israeli wars, setting up for all the nations (Joe 3:2) to eventually attach Jerusalem (Zechariah 14), and be crushed. It will be after that, that the gold and silver will be transferred to Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:14), as well as the lost tribes of Israel (Ezekiel 36), as was done during the period of Israel being recovered from among the nations in the form of the escape from Egypt.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #384]

The house of Israel remains scattered among the nations (Ezekiel 36:19) and was never released from Babylon.

So Ezra 1:1-3 is a lie?
Who left "In the first year of King Cyrus of Persia."? Who was to "rebuild the house of Jehovah the God of Israel"? No one? Why is Jehovah still being called the God of Israel?

The "God of Israel" is the God of Jacob, who was called "Israel", and whose whole house of Israel was divided into two houses, the house of Judah and the house of Israel. The whole house of Israel will be rebuilt according to Ezekiel 37 when the sticks of Judah and Ephraim/Israel, will be untied under the "My servant David". That has not happened, and the two houses remain separate. The house of Israel remains scattered among the nations, and Judah and Jerusalem have been revived in 1948 (Joel 3:1) by way of Rome/iron, in the form of Germany, and the clay, in the form of the Ottomans being defeated by Great Britain at the battle of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), and later in the 2nd WW, whereas the U.S. and Britain crushed the Germans/Iron and Italians. Later the Jews/Judah crushed the Russians/iron, and the Muslims/clay in the 1967 & 73 Israeli wars, setting up for all the nations (Joe 3:2) to eventually attach Jerusalem (Zechariah 14), and be crushed. It will be after that, that the gold and silver will be transferred to Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:14), as well as the lost tribes of Israel (Ezekiel 36), as was done during the period of Israel being recovered from among the nations in the form of the escape from Egypt.

Why does Ezra chapter 2 describe those leaving Babylon and settling in cities as all Israel? (Ezra 2:70)

You still have not answered the question of when the exiles left Babylon.
What year were the exiles released from Babylon?
You're still punching that strawman I see.

[tam]

[JehovahsWitness]

I believe I accused the jw religion of teaching her members to disobey Christ. ....

Emphasis MINE

You accuse Jehovahs Witnesses of {quote} "teaching her members to disobey Christ" Please provide the reference or a referenced quotation from our official website and the command you believe we teach should be {quote} disobeyed.

Christ commanded His apostles to eat and drink (the bread and wine that mean His body and blood), and that they were to teach all the disciples to obey everything He commanded them(the apostles). The WTS commands something different ....[/color]

Are you suggesting Jehovahs Witnesses command [Christ's] apostles NOT to eat and drink ([/color]the bread and wine that mean His body and blood?



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[Eloi]

[tam]

Peace to you,

I believe I accused the jw religion of teaching her members to disobey Christ. ....

You accuse Jehovahs Witnesses of {quote} "teaching her members to disobey Christ" Please provide the reference or a referenced quotation from our official website and the command you believe we teach should be {quote} disobeyed.

The WTS does not come out and say 'disobey Christ', no more than the RCC would come out and say 'disobey Christ'. I am sure we both know that there are ways to get people to disobey Christ and God, without coming out and saying so in those words.

But the command from Christ (which is part of the 'everything' in Matt 28:20) is to eat and drink. The WTS teaches the majority of her members that they must not eat or drink.

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Christ commanded His apostles to eat and drink (the bread and wine that mean His body and blood), and that they were to teach all the disciples to obey everything He commanded them(the apostles). The WTS commands something different ....[/color]

Are you suggesting Jehovahs Witnesses command Christ Apostles NOT to eat and drink bread and wine that mean His body and blood? [/color]

Does that really even need a response?



Peace again to you.