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Is there a new heaven and a new earth coming?

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Checkpoint wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:11 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:48 pm
Checkpoint wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:34 pm
What do I say about what fits where or when? Nothing.
If you dont know (or claim to know but choose to provide no evidence that you do) , where and when judgement day is, there is no reason to accept your explanation about what it is?

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What we need to know about Judgment Day is not where or when it is, but what it is and why it is, or will be.

Both JW and I have explained what the Millennium will be.

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:17 pm
Checkpoint wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:11 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:48 pm
Checkpoint wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:34 pm
What do I say about what fits where or when? Nothing.
If you dont know (or claim to know but choose to provide no evidence that you do) , where and when judgement day is, there is no reason to accept your explanation about what it is?

Thanks anyway,
JW
What we need to know about Judgment Day is not where or when it is, but what it is and why it is, or will be.
Both JW and I have explained what the Millennium will be.
Right. You both have, so good for you two, on that count.

But the millennium is not the Day of Judgment, however many times you say it, hear it, read it, or think it.



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I have to say---the Millennium IS also the day of judgment. It will be giving everyone the opportunity to make up their minds, during that thousand years, as to who they want to serve. There will be only good things happening during the thousand years, so it truly will be a time of rest and joy. At the END, however, there will be the final say and those that have decided in their hearts to go with Satan will go with him into eternal death and those that stand on Jehovah's side will then be able to live forever on the earth---a true "coming to life." That is the truth, and you can take it or not. Because you deny it doesn't make it untrue.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:39 pm [Replying to Checkpoint in post #113]

I have to say---the Millennium IS also the day of judgment. It will be giving everyone the opportunity to make up their minds, during that thousand years, as to who they want to serve. There will be only good things happening during the thousand years, so it truly will be a time of rest and joy. At the END, however, there will be the final say and those that have decided in their hearts to go with Satan will go with him into eternal death and those that stand on Jehovah's side will then be able to live forever on the earth---a true "coming to life." That is the truth, and you can take it or not. Because you deny it doesn't make it untrue.


Well now, onewithhim, I've got to give it to you, you do have a nice story to tell, and you do it each time with such utter confidence.

You take it, hook, line, and sinker, whereas I do not.

Whether we take it or leave it doesn't make it untrue or true.

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Checkpoint wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:48 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:39 pm [Replying to Checkpoint in post #113]

I have to say---the Millennium IS also the day of judgment. It will be giving everyone the opportunity to make up their minds, during that thousand years, as to who they want to serve. There will be only good things happening during the thousand years, so it truly will be a time of rest and joy. At the END, however, there will be the final say and those that have decided in their hearts to go with Satan will go with him into eternal death and those that stand on Jehovah's side will then be able to live forever on the earth---a true "coming to life." That is the truth, and you can take it or not. Because you deny it doesn't make it untrue.


Well now, onewithhim, I've got to give it to you, you do have a nice story to tell, and you do it each time with such utter confidence.

You take it, hook, line, and sinker, whereas I do not.

Whether we take it or leave it doesn't make it untrue or true.
Yes, I take it hook, line and sinker. I am happy to witness for Jesus and his Father, Jehovah, in association with their wonderful organization.

You're right....the truth is the truth whether we accept it or not.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:11 pm
Checkpoint wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:48 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:39 pm [Replying to Checkpoint in post #113]

I have to say---the Millennium IS also the day of judgment. It will be giving everyone the opportunity to make up their minds, during that thousand years, as to who they want to serve. There will be only good things happening during the thousand years, so it truly will be a time of rest and joy. At the END, however, there will be the final say and those that have decided in their hearts to go with Satan will go with him into eternal death and those that stand on Jehovah's side will then be able to live forever on the earth---a true "coming to life." That is the truth, and you can take it or not. Because you deny it doesn't make it untrue.


Well now, onewithhim, I've got to give it to you, you do have a nice story to tell, and you do it each time with such utter confidence.

You take it, hook, line, and sinker, whereas I do not.

Whether we take it or leave it doesn't make it untrue or true.
Yes, I take it hook, line and sinker. I am happy to witness for Jesus and his Father, Jehovah, in association with their wonderful organization.

You're right....the truth is the truth whether we accept it or not.

Ah yes, "the truth".

The one mentioned in Jude 3, in the passage I quoted from Romans 2. Not the one that came from the "wonderful organization" you mentioned.

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Checkpoint wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:04 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:11 pm
Checkpoint wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:48 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:39 pm [Replying to Checkpoint in post #113]

I have to say---the Millennium IS also the day of judgment. It will be giving everyone the opportunity to make up their minds, during that thousand years, as to who they want to serve. There will be only good things happening during the thousand years, so it truly will be a time of rest and joy. At the END, however, there will be the final say and those that have decided in their hearts to go with Satan will go with him into eternal death and those that stand on Jehovah's side will then be able to live forever on the earth---a true "coming to life." That is the truth, and you can take it or not. Because you deny it doesn't make it untrue.


Well now, onewithhim, I've got to give it to you, you do have a nice story to tell, and you do it each time with such utter confidence.

You take it, hook, line, and sinker, whereas I do not.

Whether we take it or leave it doesn't make it untrue or true.
Yes, I take it hook, line and sinker. I am happy to witness for Jesus and his Father, Jehovah, in association with their wonderful organization.

You're right....the truth is the truth whether we accept it or not.

Ah yes, "the truth".

The one mentioned in Jude 3, in the passage I quoted from Romans 2. Not the one that came from the "wonderful organization" you mentioned.
So you are saying that the organization is teaching un-truths? Tell me, what basic truths are we lying about? Are we lying about who God is? Do we dismiss Jesus as insignificant? Are we lying when we point out that the Bible does not teach a literal hell-fire? What are the lies?

This organization teaches nothing unless it comes from the Bible. And we go all the way back to the original languages, unlike many versions today. Even the KJV goes only as far back as the Latin Vulgate. Everything Jehovah's Witnesses teach is backed up solidly from the Bible.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:22 am
Checkpoint wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:04 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:11 pm
Checkpoint wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:48 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:39 pm [Replying to Checkpoint in post #113]

I have to say---the Millennium IS also the day of judgment. It will be giving everyone the opportunity to make up their minds, during that thousand years, as to who they want to serve. There will be only good things happening during the thousand years, so it truly will be a time of rest and joy. At the END, however, there will be the final say and those that have decided in their hearts to go with Satan will go with him into eternal death and those that stand on Jehovah's side will then be able to live forever on the earth---a true "coming to life." That is the truth, and you can take it or not. Because you deny it doesn't make it untrue.

Well now, onewithhim, I've got to give it to you, you do have a nice story to tell, and you do it each time with such utter confidence.

You take it, hook, line, and sinker, whereas I do not.

Whether we take it or leave it doesn't make it untrue or true.
Yes, I take it hook, line and sinker. I am happy to witness for Jesus and his Father, Jehovah, in association with their wonderful organization.

You're right....the truth is the truth whether we accept it or not.
Ah yes, "the truth".

The one mentioned in Jude 3, in the passage I quoted from Romans 2. Not the one that came from the "wonderful organization" you mentioned.
So you are saying that the organization is teaching un-truths? Tell me, what basic truths are we lying about? Are we lying about who God is? Do we dismiss Jesus as insignificant? Are we lying when we point out that the Bible does not teach a literal hell-fire? What are the lies?

This organization teaches nothing unless it comes from the Bible. And we go all the way back to the original languages, unlike many versions today. Even the KJV goes only as far back as the Latin Vulgate. Everything Jehovah's Witnesses teach is backed up solidly from the Bible.
In this exchange, I am referring only to the subject we are discussing, which is Judgment Day.

I do so by quoting Scripture and comparing it with what others say about it.

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