Is there a new heaven and a new earth coming?

[Wootah]

A New Heaven and a New Earth
Revelation 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

More quotes taken from: https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... earth.html

Isaiah 65:17-19 - “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy. I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more.”

2 Peter 3:13 – “But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.”

Revelation 21:1 – “Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.”

Isaiah 66:22 - “‘As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,’ declares the Lord, ‘so will your name and descendants endure.’”

Is there a new heaven and a new earth coming?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #20]

Haven't we been able to discern by now that the "new heavens and new earth" are indeed a new governmental system and a new society of people? All the scriptures that Wootah posted were written with poetic license, if you will. How can someone take what was written in Revelation literally...?

Yes, we have been there and done that; perhaps several times.

The question this thread posed, and the quotations given, do not state or imply any position related to your spirited post.

So let's give that one a rest on this thread, and debate another question.

What I asked in post #2:

But there is another question to be asked, as to when this will occur.

That is, will it happen at the return of Christ, or 1000 years later?

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[Wootah]

Haven't we been able to discern by now that the "new heavens and new earth" are indeed a new governmental system and a new society of people? All the scriptures that Wootah posted were written with poetic license, if you will. How can someone take what was written in Revelation literally when we don't take the seven-headed wild beast literally? What did Peter really mean in his second letter? "The heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in intense heat"?? (2Peter 3:12) Why would the universe of stars and planets around us in the Milky Way and beyond be destroyed? That stupefies a person who is thinking logically. There is no reason to destroy the universe, and neither is there reason to destroy the planet! If a man builds a beautiful house and gives it to people who then proceed in the process of wrecking it, what would the man do? Destroy the house or just get rid of the people who are ruining it, and give it to people who appreciate it?

Jesus said that this time that we're talking about is like Noah's day: "The world of that time [Noah's Day] suffered destruction....By the SAME word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of the destruction of the ungodly PEOPLE." (2Peter 3:6,7) Jesus said: "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be....They took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:38,39)

The Flood came---was the earth destroyed? No, the literal earth was not destroyed. What was destroyed? The world of ungodly people. Jesus said it would be the same when the end comes. The literal earth will remain, but the ungodly people will be destroyed.

Because of Jesus' instruction that the end of this system of things will be like it happened in Noah's Day (with just the destruction of wicked people), we can know that when Peter or Isaiah talked about a new Heavens and new earth they were speaking of the destruction of ungodly people and a refreshed planet that will rebound from all the pollution and go on to be the beautiful home of mankind, under the governmental arrangement of Jesus Christ and his co-rulers.


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So you reject the 144,000 as being literal?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #20]

Haven't we been able to discern by now that the "new heavens and new earth" are indeed a new governmental system and a new society of people? All the scriptures that Wootah posted were written with poetic license, if you will. How can someone take what was written in Revelation literally...?

Yes, we have been there and done that; perhaps several times.

The question this thread posed, and the quotations given, do not state or imply any position related to your spirited post.

So let's give that one a rest on this thread, and debate another question.

What I asked in post #2:

But there is another question to be asked, as to when this will occur.

That is, will it happen at the return of Christ, or 1000 years later?

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This has been answered more than once. We can tell by what Jesus said about his presence, at Matthew 24, and by what Daniel said about the coming of the Messiah in chapter 9, and also the very telling verses in Daniel 2 and all the verses about the immense image---where we are located in the FEET of that image......it couldn't be much longer until the worldly governments are destroyed and God's Kingdom reigns. Do you have any knowledge about the immense image of chapter 2? You might do some research to get an idea of where we are in the stream of time.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #23]



Checkpoint wrote:

So let's give that one a rest on this thread, and debate another question.

The one I asked in post #2:

But there is another question to be asked, as to when this (new heaven and new earth )will occur.

That is, will happen at the return of Christ, or 1000 years later?

Top

This has been answered more than once. We can tell by what Jesus said about his presence, at Matthew 24, and by what Daniel said about the coming of the Messiah in chapter 9, and also the very telling verses in Daniel 2 and all the verses about the immense image---where we are located in the FEET of that image......it couldn't be much longer until the worldly governments are destroyed and God's Kingdom reigns. Do you have any knowledge about the immense image of chapter 2? You might do some research to get an idea of where we are in the stream of time.

My question gave the two alternative answers, one of which anyone will accept, and in so doing reject the other one.

Yes, I could do some research on the scriptures you referred to. Yes, doing so may be a way "to get an idea of where we are in the stream of time."

But I will not do that, as it is not what the question asks. It does not ask where we are now, but when will the new heaven and the new earth come.

I have therefore chosen to do my research on the new heaven and the new earth. Especially in connection with Jesus return and, it seems, a 1000 year period before it comes. And also before it appears, the old heaven and the old earth will pass away.

That choice I made many years ago. As a result I had a complete change of mind. As the years have gone their way, that about turn has become even more firmly held.

Our God knows all things, and delights in making possible what seems impossible.

[JehovahsWitness]

That is, will happen at the return of Christ, or 1000 years later?

The new heaven and new earth happen when Christ returns in Kingdom power. No one knows the day or the hour of this event but there is good reason to believe it will be very soon. Christ and his "new" governmental system will destroy the old powers that control the world at Harmageddon and thereafter rule for 1000 years (Eph 6:12)



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS



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[Tcg]

The new heaven and new earth happen when Christ returns in Kingdom power. No one knows the day or the hour of this event but there is good reason to believe it will be very soon.

What is that "good reason" to believe it will be very soon?


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

The new heaven and new earth happen when Christ returns in Kingdom power. No one knows the day or the hour of this event but there is good reason to believe it will be very soon.

What is that "good reason" to believe it will be very soon?


Tcg

When I say "good" I mean good according to faith based standards, nothing more: would you still like to hear about my faith based claims?



NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[William]

The new heaven and new earth happen when Christ returns in Kingdom power. No one knows the day or the hour of this event but there is good reason to believe it will be very soon.

What is that "good reason" to believe it will be very soon?


Tcg

When I say "good" I mean good according to faith based standards, nothing more: would you still like to hear about my faith based claims?



NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

Are you saying that what you are saying is;

The new heaven and new earth happen when Christ returns in Kingdom power. No one knows the day or the hour of this event but there are your faith based claims to believe in that it will be very soon?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #23]



Checkpoint wrote:

So let's give that one a rest on this thread, and debate another question.

The one I asked in post #2:

But there is another question to be asked, as to when this (new heaven and new earth )will occur.

That is, will happen at the return of Christ, or 1000 years later?

Top

This has been answered more than once. We can tell by what Jesus said about his presence, at Matthew 24, and by what Daniel said about the coming of the Messiah in chapter 9, and also the very telling verses in Daniel 2 and all the verses about the immense image---where we are located in the FEET of that image......it couldn't be much longer until the worldly governments are destroyed and God's Kingdom reigns. Do you have any knowledge about the immense image of chapter 2? You might do some research to get an idea of where we are in the stream of time.

My question gave the two alternative answers, one of which anyone will accept, and in so doing reject the other one.

Yes, I could do some research on the scriptures you referred to. Yes, doing so may be a way "to get an idea of where we are in the stream of time."

But I will not do that, as it is not what the question asks. It does not ask where we are now, but when will the new heaven and the new earth come.

Where we are now is important to know (re the immense image and being in the feet) because it is when the world power(s) that are in existence when the feet are being addressed that this system of things will end. So where we are now is very very relevant to your question. Since we live during the feet aspect of the immense image, we will SOON witness the destruction of man-made governments and see God set up the new heavens and new earth.

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[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #23]



Checkpoint wrote:

So let's give that one a rest on this thread, and debate another question.

The one I asked in post #2:

But there is another question to be asked, as to when this (new heaven and new earth )will occur.

That is, will happen at the return of Christ, or 1000 years later?

Top

This has been answered more than once. We can tell by what Jesus said about his presence, at Matthew 24, and by what Daniel said about the coming of the Messiah in chapter 9, and also the very telling verses in Daniel 2 and all the verses about the immense image---where we are located in the FEET of that image......it couldn't be much longer until the worldly governments are destroyed and God's Kingdom reigns. Do you have any knowledge about the immense image of chapter 2? You might do some research to get an idea of where we are in the stream of time.

My question gave the two alternative answers, one of which anyone will accept, and in so doing reject the other one.

Yes, I could do some research on the scriptures you referred to. Yes, doing so may be a way "to get an idea of where we are in the stream of time."

But I will not do that, as it is not what the question asks. It does not ask where we are now, but when will the new heaven and the new earth come.

Where we are now is important to know (re the immense image and being in the feet) because it is when the world power(s) that are in existence when the feet are being addressed that this system of things will end. So where we are now is very very relevant to your question. Since we live during the feet aspect of the immense image, we will SOON witness the destruction of man-made governments and see God set up the new heavens and new earth.

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Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

When you say "SOON" is that a biblical type 'soon' which might take 20 centuries [and counting] or are you specifically saying something else?