Christianity and homosexuality

[sledheavy]

ok, so I've been wanting to just ask this for a freakin' while. And frankly I love the comment because everyone I know (i.e. conserv. republican types) that hear it gets CoMpLeTeLy pissed.

If god didn't desire gays, why did he create a prostate? Or more corrrectly, why'd he put it so close to the anus?

maybe this was already discussed on the forum, but I swear the reaction is classic.

Honestly though. I think it's interesting that the majority of classic nations (if politically correct) all experienced some form of homosexuality along their timeline.

[micatala]

Pardon my denseness, but I am not catching the relevance.

On the other hand, another example I do think is directly relevant are gay animals. Here are some citations.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1275591.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 4RAV41.DTL

http://www.emperor-penguin.com/gay-penguins.html

On the other hand, there is a report that one of the gay penguins has gone straight.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169653,00.html

Here is a wider discussion of homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... nimal.html

I think it is pretty clear that homosexuality is 'natural'. Given this, I find the vehement anti-homosexual stances that many of my co-religionists take not only discouraging, but unjustified. I think it is high time we 'get over it.'

[sledheavy]

wow, thats pretty nuts.

I still think there exists some moral code though. There are some people who know what they are doing is (to them) based on a certain homosexual falsehood.

I asked a girl in my class who wanted everyone to know she was gay what her opinion was on gay marriage, and she said: "gays getting married would be pointless."

They've chosen to be gay for perverse reasons, or in her case I don't even know, but hide behind the culture which is widely accepted.

In fact, I think I encounter more people rather 'bending' the line between gay and straight, more than those taking standpoints to 'be gay' or straight.

Personally I'd rather be talking to someone who lived it, rather than someone who's claiming it.

It's an interesting topic.

thanks for the input.

[perfessor]

I still think there exists some moral code though. There are some people who know what they are doing is (to them) based on a certain homosexual falsehood.

Pardon me for being dense, but what specific falsehood are you referring to?

They've chosen to be gay for perverse reasons, or in her case I don't even know, but hide behind the culture which is widely accepted.

Again, you've lost me. Did you "choose" to be straight? I know I didn't. So when gays commonly say that it wasn't a choice, I believe them.

Of course people can choose whether to have sex or not, and with whom. But can anyone really choose who they are attracted to? I know I can't.

[sledheavy]

Right, we can most definately say there exists a majority that believe they were born gay. That's for certain. We can also say that there's a majority that believe they choose to be gay based on experimentation. But where exists the line between sexual exploration, and the decisiveness to choose to tackle the subject from a moral, political and philosophical standpoint.

you don't wake up one morning and decide your gay. Just because you see 2 girls making out at a party doesn't mean they fully know what it means to be gay. (and they probably hate the referance)

'She' on the other hand I believe would rather stay in the limbo of sexual exploration.

Though a lot happens in between.

If this were bizarro world where everyone were born gay, you'd probably find just as many straight people in bizarro world as gay people in this world.

But if they choose to be gay, do they lose credibility compared to the ones that were born gay?

Most of the people on this forum would probably say no. But there are probably some outside this forum that'd say yes.

lol....

"I was gay first."

"No you weren't, I was gay first."

But with any grouping that comes across a lime light, so comes the 'falsehoods', which tend to ride out on the curtails of the 'true believers'.

Take.....metrosexuality for example. But this is more detremental.

This day and age more people think it's taboo and cool to be bi, and frankly isn't it ironic that the majority of the time I only see it at parties?

Being it choice, or circumstance or however anyone can rate it, she's pretty much promoting that she's gay, for all the wrong reasons.

And honestly I have no way of determining whether or not she is, I'm just going off her spoken word.

You can choose to be a part of any community or not, but she should still keep the politics in mind. If she doesn't want equal rights for her sexual orientation then she's going to have to live with the consequences.

If anyone were to stereotypically lump her into a group based on her sexual orientation, they'd find her a living contradiction. And as unfortunate as it sounds, that's almost always the case in this society.

[AClockWorkOrange]

i dont man, you seem mildly intolerant of homosexuality.

in terms of sexual identity, many people choose to practice heterosexuality in falsehood out of fear of cultural backlash.

homosexuality is a panoramic trait accross most animals, becuase of there sexual desires.

and saying that marriage between homosexuals is pointless is saying that marriage is only a right of passage for procreation and not love.

you miss a few points:

many married heterosexual couples dont have children.
if ever couple had children, our population problems would be worse.
marriage is not a necesary precursor to child birth...

[sledheavy]

i dont man, you seem mildly intolerant of homosexuality.

in terms of sexual identity, many people choose to practice heterosexuality in falsehood out of fear of cultural backlash.

homosexuality is a panoramic trait accross most animals, becuase of there sexual desires.

and saying that marriage between homosexuals is pointless is saying that marriage is only a right of passage for procreation and not love.

you miss a few points:

many married heterosexual couples dont have children.
if ever couple had children, our population problems would be worse.
marriage is not a necesary precursor to child birth...

.....did you even read the entire topic?

I've read your comment over and over again, and I'm trying to understand it. Please help me out.

The only time I've made a referance to marriage, was based on the quote from my classmate. Frankly, I don't care whether she's right or wrong on the topic when she said "gays getting married would be pointless". That's not what worries me.

She's completely tossing the idea of equal rights in the garbage when she says it!

Whether or not we need marriage in context to procreation was never discussed.

You are right in saying that made people hide their sexual identies out of persecution, and that homosexuality is a panoramic trait amongst animals, but I don't know if that relates.

We have no way in determining whether or not her desires are purely sexual, or if that's a true characteristic of personal soul.

That is merely the topic at hand.

[Goat]

i dont man, you seem mildly intolerant of homosexuality.

in terms of sexual identity, many people choose to practice heterosexuality in falsehood out of fear of cultural backlash.

homosexuality is a panoramic trait accross most animals, becuase of there sexual desires.

and saying that marriage between homosexuals is pointless is saying that marriage is only a right of passage for procreation and not love.

you miss a few points:

many married heterosexual couples dont have children.
if ever couple had children, our population problems would be worse.
marriage is not a necesary precursor to child birth...

.....did you even read the entire topic?

I've read your comment over and over again, and I'm trying to understand it. Please help me out.

The only time I've made a referance to marriage, was based on the quote from my classmate. Frankly, I don't care whether she's right or wrong on the topic when she said "gays getting married would be pointless". That's not what worries me.

She's completely tossing the idea of equal rights in the garbage when she says it!

Whether or not we need marriage in context to procreation was never discussed.

You are right in saying that made people hide their sexual identies out of persecution, and that homosexuality is a panoramic trait amongst animals, but I don't know if that relates.

We have no way in determining whether or not her desires are purely sexual, or if that's a true characteristic of personal soul.

That is merely the topic at hand.

She probably didn't think it through, and is still regurgiating a lot of the rhetoric she has heard.

[sledheavy]

She probably didn't think it through, and is still regurgiating a lot of the rhetoric she has heard.

ok, I could see that. Maybe her intentions weren't in the right place at the time.

I still think there are degrees to which people stand on their similar beliefs. And one side seems more credible than the other (being based on age, gender, intell., or just the situation).

Who am I to say if I don't know her?

but something about the situation seems wrong, especially when people at this school tend to complain and never act.

[Goat]

She probably didn't think it through, and is still regurgiating a lot of the rhetoric she has heard.

ok, I could see that. Maybe her intentions weren't in the right place at the time.

I still think there are degrees to which people stand on their similar beliefs. And one side seems more credible than the other (being based on age, gender, intell., or just the situation).

Who am I to say if I don't know her?

but something about the situation seems wrong, especially when people at this school tend to complain and never act.

If the school is high school, she doesn't realise that there are issues above and beyond reproduction.

1) inheritance
2) Medical benefits
3) pension and social security
4) guardianship and visitation rights in one partner gets ill
5) taxes.

While it is feasible to take care of those with other documentation, often that other
legal documents are disgarded in favor of the blood relatives.