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Re He remembered a prior existence and spoke about it to his followers, often.Jesus Christ in heaven DOES NOT HAVE the same nature as he did when he was human.
Exactly - and that is the reason why it cannot be claimed that Jesus had a genuine Human experience.Jesus was anointed by God, receiving his spirit in a special way. He was a spirit person near his Father before becoming human (John 1:1-3; Heb. 1:1-3), and came here for a mission. That is why he was born as a total perfect human. To do what he was intended to, he needed a special portion of the holy spirit of God.
He did not occupy a carcass as a human, he WAS BORN as a human. Obviously, a human IS NOT a spirit being like he was.William wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:11 pm [Replying to Eloi in post #88]
Re He remembered a prior existence and spoke about it to his followers, often.Jesus Christ in heaven DOES NOT HAVE the same nature as he did when he was human.
Does he have the same nature as he did before he donned a Human suit/form, or did that also changes through his experience as a Human?
[What is it about the Human Experience that changes ones nature?]
Further evidence in support of Jesus himself thinking himself as more than simply Human.Luke 4:16 He then went to Nazʹa·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.” 20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him. 21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”
You can "conclude" for yourself whatever fits you. Other thing is if that is true. Anyway, Jesus was NOT an imperfect man like we are, but all human beings were supposed to be like the human Jesus, like the pre-fall Adam. That will happen in the paradise when humans will reach perfection again.
William wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:20 pm [Replying to William in post #92]
Further evidence in support of Jesus himself thinking himself as more than simply Human.Luke 4:16 He then went to Nazʹa·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.” 20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him. 21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”
Could he have spoken those words while having a genuine Human experience. He was different and said so.
It is my contention that scripture - “the actual story” - presents Jesus of Nazareth as a unique human person. My contention was rejected by historical orthodox trinitarianism - the majority view in Christianity since the fourth century of the common era - which teaches us that Jesus is a divine person, not a human person.William wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:04 pmThat is another way of asking what the OP is asking.
Clearly there is no other single human character from a book who has been portrayed in such a way that makes it obvious he was different from all the rest.
The impression given overall about the character is that he was a magic-god within human form and that character was tied into another character from other books - another magic-god who in that case, was not in human form.
That in itself shows us clearly enough that the character of Jesus was not as human as Christians seem to want us to believe that he was - which is why the thread exists - in order to study the reasons for the Christian claim that "Jesus was Human - like the rest of us".
According to the actual story, "No - he was not".
As I actually said, He [Spirit] occupied a human form - not that he 'human' occupied a human carcass. A spirit occupying a human form can experience being born through the portal provided, which does not mean that his life as a Human was a genuine Human experience.He did not occupy a carcass as a human, he WAS BORN as a human.
Well actually, it is not obvious at all.Obviously, a human IS NOT a spirit being like he was.
You write as if you think that one loses ones nature [as Spirit] when one goes through a Human Experience.He is not a human with a fleshy body any more. He regained his nature he had before coming here to born as human ... and more.
I conclude then, that until such evidence presents itself, it is an unsupported claim about "what will happen one day" and has no direct bearing on the subject of the OP re 'related argument'Eloi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:23 pmYou can "conclude" for yourself whatever fits you. Other thing is if that is true. Anyway, Jesus was NOT an imperfect man like we are, but all human beings were supposed to be like the human Jesus, like the pre-fall Adam. That will happen in the paradise when humans will reach perfection again.
