1. If the Devil's objective is to deceive/coerce/trick/persuade humans away from God, and furthermore, has above human abilities; HOW do we know Jesus was not actually Satan in disguise?.?.?.?
2. Does God somewhat remove his freewill, so he cannot ultimately deceive millions into worshiping a false god? (i.e.) What we know as Christianity today.
3. If God does restrict what the devil can do, then why still allow what the devil can do to humans?
Maybe professed Christians have a one way ticket to hell, which makes the devil's job easier. 2/5's of the world's population worship a false god, which breaks the first commandment. The devil's work is already done for him. And almost another 2/6's are also done, in the way of believing in Muhammad. And so on....
The Devil's Trick?
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Post #1In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
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Post #101So your claim is that someone can really feel at peace, but not actually be at peace, because they are wrong in reality -- (even though they have full conviction they are right)?2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:32 pm In general, "Christians" follow the false prophet Paul, and are wrong and therefore not (at peace).
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Post #102I am sure the ISIS fighters, thought they were right in lopping off heads of the idolaters and unbelievers, or those who do not submit, and that they felt well and good, and that their reward would be 72 virgins/dates in heaven. According to the Quran, their sins will be put on the heads of Christians and Jews. If you read Matthew 7:13-23, the "many", who walk, or run down the wide path to destruction, have no idea they are following the false prophets and that their end is "destruction". That is because they don't connect with the words spoken. According to some reports, the Taliban forces women to cook for them, and if the food isn't up to their snuff, then they set them on fire. https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-a ... ing-report Except for having to suffer through a bad meal, they probably feel good about themselves, and are at peace for their "submission" to Allah words, and his supposed prophet. The followers of Paul carry some form of a thorn in the side, and have to deal with the plagues of Egypt. Not a peaceful state of mind, in spite of what they may tell themselves or others.POI wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:04 pmSo your claim is that someone can really feel at peace, but not actually be at peace, because they are wrong in reality -- (even though they have full conviction they are right)?2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:32 pm In general, "Christians" follow the false prophet Paul, and are wrong and therefore not (at peace).
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Post #103You seem to think you know what is 'good', and this is how you judge if the Command comes from "the real God", verses a fake one. Okay, YHWH seems to have no problems instructing Commands, for which you might not innately see as 'good'. How do you reconcile them? If you need examples, I can provide.2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:43 pmI am sure the ISIS fighters, thought they were right in lopping off heads of the idolaters and unbelievers, or those who do not submit, and that they felt well and good, and that their reward would be 72 virgins/dates in heaven. According to the Quran, their sins will be put on the heads of Christians and Jews. If you read Matthew 7:13-23, the "many", who walk, or run down the wide path to destruction, have no idea they are following the false prophets and that their end is "destruction". That is because they don't connect with the words spoken. According to some reports, the Taliban forces women to cook for them, and if the food isn't up to their snuff, then they set them on fire. https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-a ... ing-report Except for having to suffer through a bad meal, they probably feel good about themselves, and are at peace for their "submission" to Allah words, and his supposed prophet. The followers of Paul carry some form of a thorn in the side, and have to deal with the plagues of Egypt. Not a peaceful state of mind, in spite of what they may tell themselves or others.POI wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:04 pmSo your claim is that someone can really feel at peace, but not actually be at peace, because they are wrong in reality -- (even though they have full conviction they are right)?2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:32 pm In general, "Christians" follow the false prophet Paul, and are wrong and therefore not (at peace).
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #104The only commandments directly from the hand of God were the 10 commandments written by the finger of God. If you have trouble with them, then join the followers of the false prophets to your own "destruction". It is much like lemmings flowing over a cliff. No thought necessary. I am sure you can find reason to reinvent the 10 commandments given, but I would assume that has not worked out as well as you might have thought, with the worse yet to come.POI wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:57 amYou seem to think you know what is 'good', and this is how you judge if the Command comes from "the real God", verses a fake one. Okay, YHWH seems to have no problems instructing Commands, for which you might not innately see as 'good'. How do you reconcile them? If you need examples, I can provide.2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:43 pmI am sure the ISIS fighters, thought they were right in lopping off heads of the idolaters and unbelievers, or those who do not submit, and that they felt well and good, and that their reward would be 72 virgins/dates in heaven. According to the Quran, their sins will be put on the heads of Christians and Jews. If you read Matthew 7:13-23, the "many", who walk, or run down the wide path to destruction, have no idea they are following the false prophets and that their end is "destruction". That is because they don't connect with the words spoken. According to some reports, the Taliban forces women to cook for them, and if the food isn't up to their snuff, then they set them on fire. https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-a ... ing-report Except for having to suffer through a bad meal, they probably feel good about themselves, and are at peace for their "submission" to Allah words, and his supposed prophet. The followers of Paul carry some form of a thorn in the side, and have to deal with the plagues of Egypt. Not a peaceful state of mind, in spite of what they may tell themselves or others.POI wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:04 pmSo your claim is that someone can really feel at peace, but not actually be at peace, because they are wrong in reality -- (even though they have full conviction they are right)?2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:32 pm In general, "Christians" follow the false prophet Paul, and are wrong and therefore not (at peace).
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Post #105Sounds like you are saying that Jesus was a false prophet?2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:40 am The only commandments directly from the hand of God were the 10 commandments written by the finger of God. If you have trouble with them, then join the followers of the false prophets to your own "destruction".
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
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"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #106Yeshua's message was to keep the 10 commandments (Matthew 19:17). Paul's message was that the Law had been nailed to the cross, and assumedly that it is "obsolete". The message of a so called Mohammad, was you can lie to the infidels, especially if it is in defense of Islam. One cannot lie affectively unless first one lies to themselves. That is a path down a road with no foreseeable return. Following the double minded hypocrisy of the Pharisee Paul, is also a path which is hard to return from. They all lead to "destruction".POI wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:04 amSounds like you are saying that Jesus was a false prophet?2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:40 am The only commandments directly from the hand of God were the 10 commandments written by the finger of God. If you have trouble with them, then join the followers of the false prophets to your own "destruction".
Yeshua's message was simply a light upon the Law and the prophets, to bring it from behind the veil. Apparently, according to Yeshua and Isaiah, not all will have eyes to see. (Matthew 13:13)