Are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob alive or dead right now?37Even Moses demonstrates that the dead are raised, in the passage about the burning bush. For he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive.”
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Interesting to see different views on the best answer to my question here. Is there a generally accepted way to resolve different interpretations like these?
Interesting to see different views on the best answer to my question here. Is there a generally accepted way to resolve different interpretations like these?
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Post #22Not sure what you really mean by that, but I would say prayer, of course, and just spending time in God's Word, because it's not just a book.Diagoras wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:02 pm [Replying to PinSeeker in post #20]
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Post #23They are dead as in they no longer exist in any form. However as Jesus explained, to God they are alive in that He keeps a perfect memory of them and will one day restore them to life on earth. We call this phenonemen a resurrection.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:16 pm https://biblehub.com/luke/20-38.htmAre Abraham, Isaac and Jacob alive or dead right now?37Even Moses demonstrates that the dead are raised, in the passage about the burning bush. For he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive.”
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Post #24Do you think God can forget things?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:15 amThey are dead as in they no longer exist in any form. However as Jesus explained, to God they are alive in that He keeps a perfect memory of them and will one day restore them to life on earth. We call this phenonemen a resurrection.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:16 pm https://biblehub.com/luke/20-38.htmAre Abraham, Isaac and Jacob alive or dead right now?37Even Moses demonstrates that the dead are raised, in the passage about the burning bush. For he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive.”
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Post #25God himself claims that he can:
In a subforum where the Bible is considered authoritative, how could one argue against that?Hosea 4:6
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Post #26Well, let's take just Abraham. In saying what you way here, why then do you think Jesus portrays Abraham as alive in His parable in Luke 16? He's talking to the Pharisees, there, who thought (erroneously, as attested to in John 8:39) that Abraham is their father. And, to head the "answer" that I think is coming off, question can't be plausibly answered by just saying, "Well that's just a parable." His hearers knew it was a parable. Certainly, they knew that Abraham was no longer alive and in the world, but if they had thought he no longer existed, they would have laughed at Jesus. They would have at best dismissed Jesus's parable as nonsense, but they didn't, by any stretch of the imagination.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:15 am They are dead as in they no longer exist in any form.
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Post #27Apparently Moses and Elias were seen standing alive once with Jesus...


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Post #28Wootah wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:21 pmDo you think God can forget things?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:15 am
They are dead as in they no longer exist in any form. However as Jesus explained, to God they are alive in that He keeps a perfect memory of them and will one day restore them to life on earth. We call this phenonemen a resurrection.
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Forget as in be fail to retain information due to a lack if ability or capacity, no that is impossible for a God of infinite power. Biblically, He "forgets" our sins in that he determinds never again to call them to account and the very name of the wicked will be "forgotten" in that they will never again have any impact in his righteous kingdom, but Jehovah will and can never forget anything he wishes to be called to mind.


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Re: Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead
Post #29The best thing to do is to bring it back to the basics and answer the question, what is the condition of the dead?Diagoras wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:02 pm [Replying to PinSeeker in post #20]
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Read Ecc chapter 9.
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What do you discern from that chapter about the fundamental condition of the dead?
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Re: Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead
Post #30[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
All of the old patriarchs are still dead. The Scripture you quoted says that, although they are dead, they are alive TO HIM. Jehovah remembers every detail about the dead people so that they are alive to him, in his memory. They are not literally alive. I remember that Jesus said that he will resurrect people "in the last day" (John 6:40,44), and this will include Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
All of the old patriarchs are still dead. The Scripture you quoted says that, although they are dead, they are alive TO HIM. Jehovah remembers every detail about the dead people so that they are alive to him, in his memory. They are not literally alive. I remember that Jesus said that he will resurrect people "in the last day" (John 6:40,44), and this will include Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.