The Devil's Trick?

[POI]

1. If the Devil's objective is to deceive/coerce/trick/persuade humans away from God, and furthermore, has above human abilities; HOW do we know Jesus was not actually Satan in disguise?.?.?.?

2. Does God somewhat remove his freewill, so he cannot ultimately deceive millions into worshiping a false god? (i.e.) What we know as Christianity today.

3. If God does restrict what the devil can do, then why still allow what the devil can do to humans?

Maybe professed Christians have a one way ticket to hell, which makes the devil's job easier. 2/5's of the world's population worship a false god, which breaks the first commandment. The devil's work is already done for him. And almost another 2/6's are also done, in the way of believing in Muhammad. And so on....

[bluegreenearth]

I have understood the message in the Bible is basically that people should be righteous and love others as themselves. If in the end God would say, “no, that was just joking, you would not need to be that”, I would still think it would be good to be righteous and love others. I don’t want to be righteous and love for to get some reward in the end, I want to do it because I think it is good.

As you've indicated above, If God didn't care much about righteousness and love, you would consider those things to be good anyway. Therefore, it logically follows that morality need not be grounded in God but in what you consider to be moral. Thanks for the clarification.

[William]

I have understood the message in the Bible is basically that people should be righteous and love others as themselves. If in the end God would say, “no, that was just joking, you would not need to be that”, I would still think it would be good to be righteous and love others. I don’t want to be righteous and love for to get some reward in the end, I want to do it because I think it is good.

As you've indicated above, If God didn't care much about righteousness and love, you would consider those things to be good anyway. Therefore, it logically follows that morality need not be grounded in God but in what you consider to be moral. Thanks for the clarification.

This is what I am also seeing.

The OPQ asks a question about the possibility that Jesus and Lucifer are the same character. The question is logical enough to be asking - in relation to Christian-based imagery.

The imagery has been purposed-designed to give examples of contradictory expression from both characters , re each other.

So IF the answer to the OPQ is "Yes" THEN, the imagery given is cancelled out through the form of the one person acting both parts. The actor [by the actions] neutralizes both extremes, as the are represented in the Christian Imagery.

As such, the action [of acting] cannot be judged under the premise that one can only judge 'good' from 'evil', because both those extremes are neutralized with the "Yes" answer to the OPQ.

To answer "No" to the OPQ, is to continue believing in the world through the filters of G&E, which - as you pointed out - is really nothing more or less than how the individual operating through that filter, choses to categorize actions there on in.

[This is also why it is important that Christians believe in Satan - for without that imagery, Christianity would Peter out - just as quietly as it Petered in. ]

Viewing the physical world only through the G&E Filter, allows one to be untruthful while also still thinking one is being truthful. Social structures have been set up to support groups in maintaining this state.

The evidence that G&E actually exist[ed] as things in this universe, prior to Human beings coming along and seeing it that way, doesn't appear to exist itself.

So to argue why it does exist through Human actions by invoking the belief in Angels and Demons as pre-existing Humans, and the represented leadership of both parties of said Spirits within the imagery of Jesus and Satan, becomes an 'attempt' by Humans to give substance to the belief in G&E as being necessary.

It is more a case of Humans projecting what they see as their G&E onto types of scapegoats [unseen Ghosts] and within the extremes the imagery conjures, is where so many Humans float around at the mercy of the 'gods' these Ghosts have become.

"God" - on the other hand, is ONE.

Yes, the universe does have its extremes. Dark/Light Calm/Storm et al. But its "grey area" is vast and quiet colorful, even with that fact that the Human Eye engages with only a small sector of the frequencies that actually exist.

Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife

[POI]

God has not been wrong.

Yes. The city of Tyre still stands, and is known to anyone who wants to explore.

I believe so.

Many believe many are coming back one day. Why should anyone believe any of them, including you?

You seem to have some different Bible than I have.

Funny how you can make this statement to many, who have read the same Bible as you, isn't it? Have you counted the number of Christian based denominations? Just ask many what it takes to be saved, and watch how the answers vary widely and greatly - (while reading from the same book).

But regardless, I made a generic statement. Jesus was born, performed miracles; and claimed He was the truth, the light, and the way. Do you somehow not agree with this? If so, maybe you are not reading the Bible at all?

I know only what the Bible tells about him. And according to it:

The great dragon was thrown down, the old serpent, he who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now is come the salvation, the power, and the Kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ; for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:9-10

Asking God alone, "how Satan would act", seems just a little bias, doesn't it?

[POI]

1. If the Devil's objective is to deceive/coerce/trick/persuade humans away from God, and furthermore, has above human abilities; HOW do we know Jesus was not actually Satan in disguise?.?.?.?

2. Does God somewhat remove his freewill, so he cannot ultimately deceive millions into worshiping a false god? (i.e.) What we know as Christianity today.

3. If God does restrict what the devil can do, then why still allow what the devil can do to humans?

Maybe professed Christians have a one way ticket to hell, which makes the devil's job easier. 2/5's of the world's population worship a false god, which breaks the first commandment. The devil's work is already done for him. And almost another 2/6's are also done, in the way of believing in Muhammad. And so on....

The devil/serpent's message was that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4). That is the same message given by the false prophets Paul and Mohammad if you keep their "new" rules. Although in the case of Mohammad, kill some idolater or apostate, and maybe you can also be rewarded with 72 virgins/dates or raisons in paradise. While the beast and the false prophet (Revelation 16) has deceived the "many" (Matthew 7:13-23), according to Yeshua, there will be others, the "few", who will enter into life, by keeping the commandments (Mt 19:17). God tells you what is the right way, but you are given the free will to choose the path to destruction.

Any "proclaimed god(s)" can claim their way is the right way. Quoting a Verse, which states there will be false profits, is quite circular.

Maybe the Devil inspired this Verse? If the Devil's desire is to deceive humans, what is to stop him; except God maybe? Does God restrict his freewill?

[JoeyKnothead]

Have you ever noticed this god/devil construct (all powerful/all encompassing/limited to nothing) does indeed have it's limitations and there usually specific to the particular christian doling them out. Are you saying that there is no way for the god you worship to be "playing you", jerking your chain and laughing his tail off all day long. Are you saying when you get to the pearly gates **there is nooooooo way he's going to pull the rug out from under you. How can you possibly say that. Don't forget this god can do anything he wants with his creation (or so I've been told/read ad nausea from christians). But he can't do that say's 1213 because why??

Excellent point.
With an omnicient, omnipotent god, how can we know he ain't the god of all pranksters?
Considering the omni claims, surely humans can't possibly know all a god's thoughts, or motives, that we could just dismiss the idea God's just him a cutup.

Well, from the description of Satan, he's nothing more than an adult that is living in his father's basement.

I spilt my lemonade!

[JoeyKnothead]

Any "proclaimed god(s)" can claim their way is the right way. Quoting a Verse, which states there will be false profits, is quite circular.

Now you're getting into the preacher's trick.

Maybe the Devil inspired this Verse? If the Devil's desire is to deceive humans, what is to stop him; except God maybe? Does God restrict his freewill?

God can't even keep the Christians from bickering among one another, he sure can't do him nothing bout Satan.

[1213]

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Yes. The city of Tyre still stands, and is known to anyone who wants to explore...

These images show that it is still ruins:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ruins+of+tyre ... &ia=images

...Just ask many what it takes to be saved, and watch how the answers vary widely and greatly - (while reading from the same book).

Yeah, people can make own stuff up, but what the Bible tells is still the same.

Jesus was born, performed miracles; and claimed He was the truth, the light, and the way. Do you somehow not agree with this?

Please show the scriptures.

[1213]

I have understood the message in the Bible is basically that people should be righteous and love others as themselves. If in the end God would say, “no, that was just joking, you would not need to be that”, I would still think it would be good to be righteous and love others. I don’t want to be righteous and love for to get some reward in the end, I want to do it because I think it is good.

As you've indicated above, If God didn't care much about righteousness and love, you would consider those things to be good anyway. Therefore, it logically follows that morality need not be grounded in God but in what you consider to be moral. ...

In my case, I think the understanding is because of God, I don’t think I would have that understanding without Him.

[bluegreenearth]

As you've indicated above, If God didn't care much about righteousness and love, you would consider those things to be good anyway. Therefore, it logically follows that morality need not be grounded in God but in what you consider to be moral. ...

In my case, I think the understanding is because of God, I don’t think I would have that understanding without Him.

Seems like an unfalsifiable claim from my perspective. If you do have the capacity to achieve that understanding without God, how could that be determined?

[William]

As you've indicated above, If God didn't care much about righteousness and love, you would consider those things to be good anyway. Therefore, it logically follows that morality need not be grounded in God but in what you consider to be moral. ...

In my case, I think the understanding is because of God, I don’t think I would have that understanding without Him.

Seems like an unfalsifiable claim from my perspective. If you do have the capacity to achieve that understanding without God, how could that be determined?

Thinking on your question BGE, if one travels down a particular path - which branched off of another path and those two paths eventually come together again, such a question is become rather redundant at the end of it all.