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Replying to OnceConvinced in post #23]
What really appalls me is seeing women trying to justify the sexism of their organization. To me it seems like those Muslim women who are ok with men beating their wives.
I think that the problem [overall] stems from the way ancient folk chose to view the world they were born and raised in.
I imagine some time further back before the formation of cultures and cults, pre-historic Humans evolved their thinking into formulating questions based upon what they saw that nature did, and bringing in the idea of 'gods' gave them positive reinforcement that their interpretations of their observations in nature, were 'obviously' correct.
For example, the biblical idea of a Creator cursing the females of the Human specie, wasn't so much inspired by some god as it was the product of introducing the idea of being within a Creation, and thus 'gods'.
So when Men witnessed the natural great pain that Women went through, instead of just accepting that as natural, they saw it as some kind of punishment that some god who created them, [both Man and Woman] cursed them with, and that the gods actually obviously favored Men, on account of the evidence.
That is also why Women, even those in JWs position, argue that there is nothing at all wrong or sexist about with how the god of the bible ["God"] has "arranged the congregation". There is an acceptance of the supernatural explanation for natural events, so it is a logical extension of that idea.
How else are we to explain why a Creator would allow such pain in childbirth,
unless it was a punishment for some unspecified wrong-doing, something which we can now refer to as a
specified explanation, by conveniently grabbing a
red-letter, leather-bound, gold-foiled product and reading the very
inspired words of that god, for ourselves?
Makes perfect sense.
I think that even if this universe is a Creation, Women experiencing the great pain of Childbirth, does not necessarily logical have to mean that The Creator intended it to be punishment. If we are going to use such logic, we would have to agree then that the whole universe was meant to be a punishment for Human beings, way before the planting of the seed of the forbidden tree occurred.
