Jehovah's Witnesses: False Prophecies

[We_Are_VENOM]

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First off, let me preface this by saying the following..

1. As mentioned on another thread, I have many years invested in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's), from family, to friends, to strangers. I am very familiar with them and their theology.

2. I am beginning a series of threads attacking their "Christian" theology and doctrine. This one, as titled, deals with Jehovah's Witnesses and their false prophecies.

3. I have beef with, not only JW's, but ANYONE of whom I believe to be spreading false Christian doctrine. This includes, but not limited to...

A.) Mormons
B.) Catholics
C.) World Mission Society Church of God
D.) Hebrew Israelites

Jehovah's Witnesses are just one of many false Christian denominations. But, we are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses for now.

So, the question is ultimately; Why do I feel as if Jehovah's Witnesses are false teachers? There are many reasons, and one of those reasons is their many failed attempts at predicting prophecy.

Before I continue on post #2, keep in mind that future threads in this series will go straight to the gusto, with no preface.

Just FYI.

[JehovahsWitness]

And I should care, why?! My explanations are based on scripture.

That is what they all say. Everyone believes that their explanations are based on scripture, myself included.

However, a lot of what JW's teach is not based on scripture, in my opinion.

I have no concern with them "sitting right" with those that cannot disprove it with those same scripture. My commission is to speak truth not make anyone accept it.

I feel the same way on my side of things.

Excellent.


Now do you have any scriptures to support your position regarding JWs teachings?






JEHOVAHS WITNESS

[We_Are_VENOM]

I asked for scritural support for the above you provided a list of names. Obviously you cannot prove your point by pointing to the lives of individuals (since no one individual equates to "an organisation"

Reading comprehension. First of all, I've been speaking in both the plural and singular sense when it comes to the "organization", as it can be applied to an individual as a single entity, or it can apply to an organization as a whole.

I've made it very clear, that any individual or organization (in my opinion) can not be said to be "chosen, directed, and GUIDED" by God while at the same time spreading false Biblical information.

I've made that point very clear.

You asked me to support this with scripture, and I listed individuals in the Bible who were chosen by God, but they weren't out there giving false information as it pertains to His word.

This is contrary to Jehovah's Witnesses, who you believe to be chosen by God, and ARE out there giving out false information.

It is obvious that you are splitting hairs. Organizations are made up of individuals..you do understand that, correct?

If you would like to present an actual counterargument (rather than merely repeat your claim) feel free. NOTE "No not buying it" is not a counterargument - I have no interest in debating with anyone that simply parrots the same mantra without scriptural references.

LOL scripture references? How about you providing scriptural references that your organization is God's chosen organization in the first place?

Oh, I forgot, you provided Isaiah (43:10) which says nothing about the WTS as we know it today, but was talking about the nation of Israel (in context).

One would have to be completely naïve to conclude that Isaiah 43:10 is addressing the JW's and/or WTS.

[JehovahsWitness]

I've made it very clear, that any individual or organization (in my opinion) can not be said to be "chosen, directed, and GUIDED" by God while at the same time spreading false Biblical information.

I think I have made it perfectly clear what I think of your opinion. You have yet to scripturally prove ANY of Jehovahs Witness teachings false.




JW

[We_Are_VENOM]

DID A 1972 WATCHTOWER JEHOVAHS WITNESSES WERE
INSPIRED PROPHETS?

No it did not. As in the sense pointed out by the Catholic vatican it only uses there term "prophet" in its wider sense of evangelizers. Indeed the article in question systematically referred to "prophet" " < ----- in quotations marks---> " to signal to the reader that the word was being used in this general sense of MESSENGERS and NOT as in the pronouncers of an INSPIRED personal revelation.

No, you can't blossom out of this one.

"Through this agency (Jehovah's Witnesses) he is having carried out prophesying" WT June 15, 64

What is prophesying?

: to utter by or as if by divine inspiration
2: to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge
3: PREFIGURE
intransitive verb

1: to speak as if divinely inspired
2: to give instruction in religious matters : PREACH
3: to make a prediction

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prophesy

CONCLUSION Jehovah's Witnesses have never claimed to be the originators of inspired prophecy. They have only ever alluded to their role in revealing /interpreting or clarifying already record divinely inspired bible truths.

Disingenuousness.

"He (Jesus) has appointed his "faithful and wise servant" (Jehovah's Witnesses), who is his visible MOUTHPIECE.

They called themselves Jesus' visible mouthpiece.

"Does Jehovah have a prophet to help them [JW's], to warn them of dangers and declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?

Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses. They are still proclaiming a warning and have been joined by hundreds of thousands of persons who have listened to their message with belief. Of course it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. WT 4/1/72 p. 197"

Do you see that?

"to warn them of dangers and declare things to come"?

That is something that prophets do, correct? And after all, "of course it is easy to say that this group acts as a prophet of God."

So to say that JW's never referred to themselves as prophets or divinely inspired, is simply not true.

https://www.gospeloutreach.net/jwproph.html

[JehovahsWitness]

"Through this agency (Jehovah's Witnesses) he is having carried out prophesying" [WT June 15, 64

The prophecying is God's

[We_Are_VENOM]

"As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. Through this agency he is having carried out prophesying. All of this activity is not an accident. Jehovah is the one behind all of it." WT June 15, 64

He or We?

The quote says GOD is "carrying out", as in, fulfilling prophecying through his people. The Christian congregaton was spoken of prophetically and we (Jehovahs Witnesses) believe we are the fulfillment of such prophecies. At no point does the article say WE are inspired prophets.


The article clearly states they are being " used to dispense God’s progressive revelations in these last days" If one uses a jug to pour out milk who is pouring ? you or the jug? The article is simply saying God is fulfilling prophecy by means of his organisation, not that his earthly organisation is a source of prophecy.

The quotes that I provided is clear, they explicitly states that Jehovah has a modern day prophet, and that they (JW's) are the prophet.

I will provide the quote one last time, because you seem to be in so much denial...

WT 4/1/72 p. 197 Who is this prophet? ... He had a "prophet" to warn them. This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as lnternational Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses ..."

The interpretation of the above is so much easier to understand than the prophecy of Daniel 4, isn't it?

[JehovahsWitness]

"Through this agency (Jehovah's Witnesses) he is having carried out prophesying" [WT June 15, 64

I hate to imply anyone does not know basic grammar but ....pronouns


- Jehovah: he
- Jehovah's Witnesses : they
- [God's /an] organisation: it


You're most welcome





JW

[We_Are_VENOM]

" Many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation."

This is just blatantly false. Biblically FALSE.

Well so far you have not actually proven anything false.

It is the totality of EVERYTHING else that is wrong with the WTS, and the list is long. If you put all of the errors in one gumbo pot, there is nothing but disaster on the menu.

Yes I hear your hyperbole... what I cannot see that you have presented
any specifics.

I have reasons to believe that Jehovah's Witnesses (the leadership) have been dishonest about some things.

a) .... not saying what specifically what your reasons are.

b) ...not producing any scriptural evidence whatsoever.

We have some excellent posters here, both believers and non belivers that know their bibles very well. They can and do construct very good argumentation and counterarguments*. I may not necessarily agree with them but I totally respect the quality of their posting. May I suggest you read the contributions of some of the regular posters here .

* NOTE Repetiton is no more counterargument than stamping your feet or sucking your thumb

Maybe it would be best for your credibility to refrain from statements and claims until you are ready to present proof to support them.

I agree, there has been lots of repetition coming from myself.

But I there is also repetition of you asking for things that I maintain will be addressed on other threads. Please be patient.

[JehovahsWitness]

"He (Jesus) has appointed his "faithful and wise servant" (Jehovah's Witnesses), who is his visible MOUTHPIECE.

They called themselves Jesus' visible mouthpiece.

Yes so? So WHAT?! Can you prove with scripture this position equates to inspired prophecying ? Or that the Jehovahs Witnesses have taken the position that it does?






JW

[We_Are_VENOM]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #119]

Cool. Because I think I've said all I need to say on the matter. At this point, we can let readers decide.

In about a day or so, I move on to other errors of their (JW's) ways.