Unity Within Christendom

[Benson]

As per your best recollection and understanding, give one Biblical tenet or doctrine which is universally accepted by those who name Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Satan has successfully polluted and corrupted all aspects of God's Work for human redemption. He has brought doubt, obscurity, and partial destruction upon:

1.) Extant Canonized Text and supporting apocrypha.
2.) The integrity of the human genome.
3.) The Testimony of God's created Biosphere and Cosmos.
4.) The Church as Christ's Body.
5.) The existence of a Spiritual Realm in human awareness.
6.) The immortality of the human Spirit.
7.) Man in the Image of God.
8.) God's Love, Mercy, Hope, Faithfulness.
9.) Knowledge of the Eternal Judgement.
10.) Romans 8:19 "Manifestations of the Sons of God."

After all millennia since Creation, every of these works by Satan are currently in place. This indicates there is little else for him to do. Christ is soon to return in the Catching Away.

[PinSeeker]

[Replying to Benson in post #1]

The "catching away"... Hm. Well, I would just say that God's purposes cannot be thwarted. It may seem that Satan has won, but that is most assuredly not the case. God works all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose. And He will bring it to completion at the day of Christ. Again, not sure if there is any proposed debate here or not. Grace and peace to you.

[Benson]

Try to comprehend nothing here has indicated "Satan has won." Pity those who serve and speak of that notion.

God works all things for His Glory and Good even unto those who do not love Him. Goodness is part of His Judgements and Justice upon all matters. He will reconcile all things through Christ, regardless of any human sentiments or "debate."

Yes, catching away is right there in His Word apart from debate. Lol. Praise God for the surety of His proclamations which live in Eternity, as God mocks the Nations and all other corporate human endeavors. It is a pleasure to serve Him.

[2timothy316]

Yes, catching away is right there in His Word apart from debate.

The rapture doctrine took off around the 18th century but really took hold in the USA with the Cold War of the 20th century with the threat of nuclear war. There is a thread on it.
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[Benson]

It was just the labeling of this event which appeared in the 1800s. God's Word was already in place.

[2timothy316]

It was just the labeling of this event which appeared in the 1800s. God's Word was already in place.

People do a lot of labeling in the Bible. Who labels it and what makes their labeling correct over another person's labeling?

[Benson]

Excellent question. When the labeling is done with the intent of changing or adding to what Scripture already states, it then is a violation and a sin. Such labeling is done as a human contrivance. Today, we see it as Systematic Theology coming from prideful and hardened hearts.

[PinSeeker]

Try to comprehend nothing here has indicated "Satan has won." Pity those who serve and speak of that notion.

You said, benson, "Satan has successfully polluted and corrupted all aspects of God's Work for human redemption." And I said, God's purposes cannot be thwarted, which is surely true, as Job says in chapter 42 of his book. This may not have been your intent, but in saying Satan has "successfully polluted and corrupted all aspects of God's Work for human redemption," that would indicate some level of victory on his part, and such is not the case.

God works all things for His Glory and Good even unto those who do not love Him.

Well, His glory, for sure. That's His purpose, to glorify Himself. But again -- and this is exactly what Romans 8:28 says -- He works all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose.

Goodness is part of His Judgements and Justice upon all matters. He will reconcile all things through Christ, regardless of any human sentiments or "debate."

Absolutely.

Yes, catching away is right there in His Word apart from debate. Lol.

No, it's not. The return of Jesus will certainly be a rapturous event. But there is no "rapture," no "catching away." That is completely unscriptural. God never says anything about removing from trial and tribulation, but rather being with them in the midst of it.

Praise God for the surety of His proclamations which live in Eternity, as God mocks the Nations and all other corporate human endeavors. It is a pleasure to serve Him.

Sure.

[Benson]

I am not sure where you get this "rapture" thought from. A review of Christ's promise to The Philadelphia Church in Revelation might help.

Christ stated He will return unto His Believers as He was seen to leave Earth, without fanfare or apocalyptic warning. But, His Day of Judgement and establishment of The Kingdom is entirely another event, described by John the Revelator. This happens after the Bowls, Trumpets, Horsemen, and decimation of the Earth. Apparently, your personal expectation and joy is to be there for that. No debate or chit chat is needed, it is in Scripture for us to read.

[2timothy316]

Excellent question. When the labeling is done with the intent of changing or adding to what Scripture already states, it then is a violation and a sin. Such labeling is done as a human contrivance. Today, we see it as Systematic Theology coming from prideful and hardened hearts.

Do you think none of your doctrines have come about by this violation?