YHWH

[Wootah]

Y - the hand
H - reveals
W - the nail
H - reveals

How is anyone that believes YHWH is God able to negate the evidence above that YHWH is Jesus?

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/je ... -is-yahweh

YHWH is the name above all names correct?

Philippians 2:9-11 says — Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Anyone want to directly confront both pieces of evidence?

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #129]

Of course, God is not talking to himself. I didn't answer what was obviously a rhetorical question.

You are jumping ahead of yourself when discussing the Trinity or the New Testament. Why would King David have any other lord than YHWH?

From the Bible - what evidence do you have that David knew about Jesus?

From the very verse under discussion, where Christ SAID David was speaking about Him (the Messiah), and calling Him (the Messiah), "Lord":

“What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is He?”
“David’s,” they answered.
[Jesus] said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him Lord? For he says: [‘The Lord] said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’

And of course if we are taking the quote from the Psalm, it reads "[YHWH] said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."

So that God [YHWH] speaking to David's Lord (the Messiah).

And if you acknowledge that God is not talking to Himself, then the Lord (the Messiah) to whom David is referring and to whom God is speaking... is obviously not God ("YHWH").


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[onewithhim]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #129]

Of course, God is not talking to himself. I didn't answer what was obviously a rhetorical question.

You are jumping ahead of yourself when discussing the Trinity or the New Testament. Why would King David have any other lord than YHWH?

From the Bible - what evidence do you have that David knew about Jesus?

From the very verse under discussion, where Christ SAID David was speaking about Him (the Messiah), and calling Him (the Messiah), "Lord":

“What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is He?”
“David’s,” they answered.
[Jesus] said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him Lord? For he says: [‘The Lord] said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’

And of course if we are taking the quote from the Psalm, it reads "[YHWH] said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."

So that God [YHWH] speaking to David's Lord (the Messiah).

And if you acknowledge that God is not talking to Himself, then the Lord (the Messiah) to whom David is referring and to whom God is speaking... is obviously not God ("YHWH").


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

I wanted to bump this up so that any who may have missed your excellent post would now be able to see it without dredging through a dozen thread topics to find it.

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[Wootah]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #132]

So what was Tam arguing there? I was asking what evidence is there that David would violate the shema and acknowledge another Lord.

Tam used the verse in question (which might just be simple circular reasoning).

Since you are bumping it up can you explain Tam's post?

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to onewithhim in post #132]

So what was Tam arguing there? I was asking what evidence is there that David would violate the shema and acknowledge another Lord.

How does acknowledging another Lord (the coming Messiah) violate the shema? Lord does not mean "YHWH". Lord is just a title. That title can be referring to God, or to kings, or to men, or to Christ.

(And the shema is referring to God being one God. Not two or three or four, but one.)

Tam used the verse in question (which might just be simple circular reasoning).

I used the verse in question as evidence that David knew about Christ. The verse in question is evidence of that.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[onewithhim]

[Replying to tam in post #134]
Yes, the word "Lord" is not somebody's name nor is it somebody's unique designation. As tam says, it could refer to men in positions of power, Satan himself, Jesus, God, or Darth Vader. We must ascertain who this title is referring to. After studying the Bible, we can understand that the title "Lord of lords" that is given to Jesus means that he is the Lord over everyone that is called "Lord" on this earth or anywhere else in the universe, besides God of course. The 7,000 references to "LORD" in the Old Testament should not even be there. To refer to God by "LORD" is not the way the original text meant it to be. Every place that "LORD" appears, in all upper-case letters, that is where the Tetragrammaton appears in the original Hebrew---YHWH. This Tetragrammaton is the name of God, and is translated as Jehovah by many English translations of the Bible, including the King James Version, when it puts back the name of God where it should be. It's a crime that the "LORD" replaces God's name when it was not a part of the intent of the men who wrote the books of the O.T. The replacement causes much confusion as to what "Lord" is being referred to. Not surprisingly, probably a majority of people think that "LORD" means Jesus. Thankfully, there are versions of the Bible that put God's name back where it belongs. (American Standard; Young's Literal Translation; Divine Name King James Version; New World Translation; Jerusalem Bible; the Living Bible, ....to name a few.)

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[Wootah]

[Replying to tam in post #134]
Yes, the word "Lord" is not somebody's name nor is it somebody's unique designation. As tam says, it could refer to men in positions of power, Satan himself, Jesus, God, or Darth Vader. We must ascertain who this title is referring to. After studying the Bible, we can understand that the title "Lord of lords" that is given to Jesus means that he is the Lord over everyone that is called "Lord" on this earth or anywhere else in the universe, besides God of course. The 7,000 references to "LORD" in the Old Testament should not even be there. To refer to God by "LORD" is not the way the original text meant it to be. Every place that "LORD" appears, in all upper-case letters, that is where the Tetragrammaton appears in the original Hebrew---YHWH. This Tetragrammaton is the name of God, and is translated as Jehovah by many English translations of the Bible, including the King James Version, when it puts back the name of God where it should be. It's a crime that the "LORD" replaces God's name when it was not a part of the intent of the men who wrote the books of the O.T. The replacement causes much confusion as to what "Lord" is being referred to. Not surprisingly, probably a majority of people think that "LORD" means Jesus. Thankfully, there are versions of the Bible that put God's name back where it belongs. (American Standard; Young's Literal Translation; Divine Name King James Version; New World Translation; Jerusalem Bible; the Living Bible, ....to name a few.)

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Why does God's name point to Jesus?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to tam in post #134]
Yes, the word "Lord" is not somebody's name nor is it somebody's unique designation. As tam says, it could refer to men in positions of power, Satan himself, Jesus, God, or Darth Vader. We must ascertain who this title is referring to. After studying the Bible, we can understand that the title "Lord of lords" that is given to Jesus means that he is the Lord over everyone that is called "Lord" on this earth or anywhere else in the universe, besides God of course. The 7,000 references to "LORD" in the Old Testament should not even be there. To refer to God by "LORD" is not the way the original text meant it to be. Every place that "LORD" appears, in all upper-case letters, that is where the Tetragrammaton appears in the original Hebrew---YHWH. This Tetragrammaton is the name of God, and is translated as Jehovah by many English translations of the Bible, including the King James Version, when it puts back the name of God where it should be. It's a crime that the "LORD" replaces God's name when it was not a part of the intent of the men who wrote the books of the O.T. The replacement causes much confusion as to what "Lord" is being referred to. Not surprisingly, probably a majority of people think that "LORD" means Jesus. Thankfully, there are versions of the Bible that put God's name back where it belongs. (American Standard; Young's Literal Translation; Divine Name King James Version; New World Translation; Jerusalem Bible; the Living Bible, ....to name a few.)

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Why does God's name point to Jesus?

Because Jesus is the means by which Jehovah redeems the world. Actually, Jesus' name points to God. His name means "Jehovah is Salvation." That lines up nicely with the fact that Jehovah is the Almighty and it is His will that the world of mankind be saved; therefore He sent His Son to do it.

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[1213]

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Why does God's name point to Jesus?

Perhaps because God had given his name to Jesus (Jesus acted in the name of God):

I am no more in the world, but these arein the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
John 17:11

[onewithhim]

It would be great to get a comment from Wootah about the last couple of posts.

[Wootah]

It would be great to get a comment from Wootah about the last couple of posts.

Very disappointing to see people claiming the name of God points to not God.

Do you think that likely?

'Hi what's your name?'
'My name is Steve.'
'So your name is Steve?'
'No my name points to someone else called Steve.'

But I fully agree that Jesus is a revealed concept. No one expected Jesus. No one would have said the hand reveals, the nail reveals and worked out God would be nailed to a cross.