The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2

[onewithhim]

Daniel's chapter about the great image (chapter 2) is very significant within any discussion of the end times and when God's Kingdom comes (Matt.6:9,10). After perusing this chapter, and perhaps viewing this image on other websites, what is your understanding of the meaning of this image and its being hit by a rock from the mountain?

[Checkpoint]

Checkpoint, I wonder if you read my posts on the legs and feet of the image. I think it's quite succinct and reasonable, what I wrote. I also asked you some questions that you haven't answered. I would appreciate your answers.

Thanks.

Yes, onewithhim, I am aware of your posts, but have not read them with any intention to agree or disagree, or add any further comment.

However, I am not aware of any questions you asked of me.

Please tell me which posts, or ask the questions again.

Thanks.

[Checkpoint]

Peace to you,

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #28]

I do not know who or what the feet of said image are, other than what is revealed in the dream and its interpretation.

I can share something about this part at least, since my Lord reminded me of this (when I read your words), and a sister had shared some time back as she had received about this.


The feet are part iron and part clay: part truth and part falsehood.

The Rock (as you acknowledge) is the Truth/Christ.

The Rock does not strike the head of the statue, of the kingdom. (That does not bring the statue down. Think "imperfect men excuse".)

Instead the Rock strikes the feet (which have some iron, but also some clay) upon which the statue stands. Take out the feet (the base), and the whole statue must come down.


**


That is as much as I can share, but I hope it helps.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Yes Tam, an interesting mixture thought.

What you observed about the feet was spot on.

The Lord bless and keep you.

[IAMinyou]

Daniel's chapter about the great image (chapter 2) is very significant within any discussion of the end times and when God's Kingdom comes (Matt.6:9,10). After perusing this chapter, and perhaps viewing this image on other websites, what is your understanding of the meaning of this image and its being hit by a rock from the mountain?

This is a prophetic writing in symbolic form that is about the Beast which is the information from our Creator that forms images, words, ideas, etc. in the minds of created MEN ( male and female ) that are brought into the visible world with human hands in the form of written words, musical notes, mathematics, and images that are formed into things made of earthen materials known as false gods.

The night sky after the flood exposed it was our Creator's first teacher of various shapes to be built out of earthen materials. So he had certain individual men look up in the night sky and use imaginary lines to connect those white dots in the sky. They had no idea what those white dots were but that would have been impossible for them to know at that time. Each individual used by our Creator to get a shape in their mind from the Beast as they imagined a shape like a square, rectangle or triangle, would then be taught by the Beast to find earthen materials to build those images they saw with human hands. I can only imagine that the first false god ever built with human hands was a mud brick whether it was square or a rectangle or even a triangle doesn't matter. The fact is that the Beast was used to teach human hands how to build false gods out of earthen materials from the images seen in the INVISIBLE mind of Man ( male and female ).

The gentile nations that came after the flood are the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans who were all involved with the Beast building false gods with human hands. In the book of Genesis, there is a symbolic story written about called the '' Tower of Babel ''. This is about the Beast and the building of false gods with human hands which is how human beings ended up being scattered throughout the known Earth looking for earthen materials and land to build those false gods with.

This prophecy in Daniel 2 is about Christianity ( the feet of iron and clay ) which began during the fourth kingdom known as the Roman Empire. The IRON part of the feet represents the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican which still remains solid today and that's why it is represented by IRON, which is a very strong earthen material that is hard to break with a ROCK ( Word of God ). The CLAY part of the feet represent the Protestant Christianity that is now broken up into 40,000 different denominations. Clay is easily broken into many pieces on a ROCK ( Word of God ) so it's a perfect word describing the Protestant Christian denominations. Christianity was used by our CREATOR through HIS BEAST to spread building techniques throughout the rest of the Earth. They taught the natives outside of the Roman Empire to build false gods with them until the Beast began to teach them how.

Daniel 2
36: "This was the dream; now we will tell the king its interpretation.
37: You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory,
38: and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the sons of men, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air, making you rule over them all -- you are the head of gold.
39: After you shall arise another kingdom inferior to you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth.
40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay. To this very day, Protestants and Catholics do not agree with each other's teachings.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."

[Revelations won]

Dear JW,

You posted:

‘Emphasis MINE

No, not really . Jesus was the Great Prophet and he told us all we needed to know for salvation.

My response: I find that interesting so say the least. If Jesus told us all we need to know for salvation, then why was there any need for John to receive additional revelations?

How come it took over 4000 years for people even know what was required for salvation, according to your answers?



You said:
“The first century Christians prophecied in that they spoke of Gods wonderful works and John, the last Apostle to receive divine revelation, bought that era of inspired revelation to an end. From then on all that would be needed was the bible ( see 2 Tim 3:16).

All that would be necessary to understand the bible thereafter, even prophecies that applied to the last days, would be holy spirit. Men and women of faith, would be given enough holy spirit to understand scripture directly, in God's due time, without the need for another Prophet.”

My further responses:

Acts 3:
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:


21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Why would there be any need for “the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;” if there was not missing something very important?

Why would God the Father need to “send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Unless somethings in the gospel were lost or missing?

The scripture clearly states: “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Obviously there would be no need to restore all things which God hath spoken by holy prophets since the world began unless those things were lost through neglect or apostasy.

Also if the kingdom of God was finally placed on earth in 1914 as you claim, then who is administering this kingdom?

What has he said in directing it’s affairs?

You claim there are 144,00 co-administrators to assist. Who are they and how are they chosen and when were they chosen, and by whom?

Isaiah also prophesied:

Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

When this kingdom you assert was established in 1914 was done, where is the location for headquarters?

By what means was it established ?

Isaiah speaks of the Lord’s house being established. Was this also done?

Where is it located?

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

When this kingdom of God was established as you claim, can you then tell us when this new covenant was made with “the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:?

Ezekiel 37: 26 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Has this new covenant been established and when?

Matthew 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Obviously some gospel things must be missing in the last days or there would be no need, as Jesus taught for Elias to restore all things.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Have all things in Christ been gathered together yet as stated in Ephesians? If so when?

Now, JW, you declared that there is no longer any need for prophets.

You said ”John, the last Apostle to receive divine revelation, bought that era of inspired revelation to an end. From then on all that would be needed was the bible”

That is very contradictory to what John gave in:

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

These two great latter day prophets are certainly filled with the spirit of revelation or prophesy and mighty power from God.

These prophets like other prophets are also chosen by revelation.

This account in Revelation clearly refutes your claim of no need for prophets.

Kind regards,
RW

[Revelations won]

Dear IAMinyou,

Thank you for your post.

I quote below in part:

43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay. To this very day, Protestants and Catholics do not agree with each other's teachings.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”

Your statement regarding this interpretation of the reveled dream is well stated and rises interesting questions to say the least.

What do you understand about why they so clearly disagree?

Is one or the other or both views incorrect?

I am interested in your response.

Kind regards,
RW

[Checkpoint]

Daniel's chapter about the great image (chapter 2) is very significant within any discussion of the end times and when God's Kingdom comes (Matt.6:9,10).

After perusing this chapter, and perhaps viewing this image on other websites, what is your understanding of the meaning of this image and its being hit by a rock from the mountain?

My first response to this opening post was post #18, which quoted the primary and most relevant verses of Daniel 2.

2). The great image:

This great image represents the kingdoms of this world, headed by and influenced by the head, which has always been Babylon in some form or other.

This world basically began with "the great city", and that is what it ends with, Revelation 16:9, 17:18, and 18:21.

Genesis 10:

8 Cush was the father of Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.”

10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in Shinar.
11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah
12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah—which is the great city

11:4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves;

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

[JehovahsWitness]

This great image repesents the kingdoms of this world...

If by "kingdoms of this world" you mean the political power or this world, this is true. However "Babylon the Great" of Revelatin 17 is not a political power since the political power ("the kings or the earth") commit sexual immorality with her.




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[Checkpoint]

This great image represents the kingdoms of this world...

If by "kingdoms of this world" you mean the political power or this world, this is true. However "Babylon the Great" of Revelatin 17 is not a political power since the political power ("the kings or the earth") commit sexual immorality with her.

JW

That I did not mean.

What I meant was specified in the greater part of my description, which you excluded from your partial quote.

Note especially: "Babylon in some form or other".

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #37]

If by "kingdoms of this world" you mean the political power or this world, this is true. However "Babylon the Great" of Revelatin 17 is not a political power since the political power ("the kings or the earth") commit sexual immorality with her.

Chapter 17 is a very interesting one, that tells us many things about "Babylon the Great".

These two in particular demand close attention:

5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

BABYLON THE GREAT

THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES

AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth

.”

[Sojournerofthearth]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #7]

Checkpoint wrote:
Many stories that together make an interesting tale that does ring a few bells.

But an essential ingredient is missing.

That is, what God says about all this, and what He leaves unsaid.

If you can, Soj, please make known to us the missing ingredient, from the written Word of God.

I am assuming you're request is that I corroborate with chapter and verse? It is, indeed, a poor attempt to "prove" one's point without it. mea culpa. I will work at putting that together. Unless, of course, I've stumbled at your prose and missed the point entirely, at which point, you will have be a bit more forthright as I can be rather thick.

Apologies for the delayed response. Time is such a limited commodity.

Soj