Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

[jimtatertayte]

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How many times have you spoken the word of God to someone
and it did not give them any faith?

Atheist read the words of God and it does not change them or give them any faith.

Many many people saw Jesus with their own eyes raise the dead and heal the lame, sick and blind
it did not give them any faith nor did it convert them. Many many people
walked and followed Jesus but turned back. Even His own 12 apostles had little faith,
for Jesus was always rebuking them for their lack of faith
and one of them betrayed Him.

So...Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

And where and how do you obtain your faith?

[The Tanager]

E. Something else.

These exact words and they mean exactly as they are written...is what I said and believe.

God gives faith to everyone and determines the amount of faith
that He gives to each one. There is no other way to obtain faith except to get it from God.

Now if you do not understand completely this I have said to you
then cut and paste which words you do not understand and I will define them for you.

Does this include God giving zero faith to some people?

Then can you help me understand why you responded to my claim [that Paul was not saying that everyone who hears the message will have faith] with Romans 12:3?

What is the post #?

In post 5 I said Paul is not saying that everyone who hears the word of God will have faith. In post 6 you quoted Romans 12:3.

[jimtatertayte]

E. Something else.

These exact words and they mean exactly as they are written...is what I said and believe.

God gives faith to everyone and determines the amount of faith
that He gives to each one. There is no other way to obtain faith except to get it from God.

Now if you do not understand completely this I have said to you
then cut and paste which words you do not understand and I will define them for you.

Does this include God giving zero faith to some people?

As I have already stated God gives everyone faith.
No one starts out with zero faith when they come into existence.

[jimtatertayte]

E. Something else.

These exact words and they mean exactly as they are written...is what I said and believe.

God gives faith to everyone and determines the amount of faith
that He gives to each one. There is no other way to obtain faith except to get it from God.

Now if you do not understand completely this I have said to you
then cut and paste which words you do not understand and I will define them for you.

Does this include God giving zero faith to some people?

Then can you help me understand why you responded to my claim [that Paul was not saying that everyone who hears the message will have faith] with Romans 12:3?

What is the post #?

In post 5 I said Paul is not saying that everyone who hears the word of God will have faith. In post 6 you quoted Romans 12:3.

No I quoted a part of it. Please when you address me with any questions
make sure your question is correct.

[The Tanager]

As I have already stated God gives everyone faith.
No one starts out with zero faith when they come into existence.

Okay, so you are saying that Romans 10:17 is a lie because everyone gets faith from God at existence. And you believe that everyone gets faith from God at existence because why?

[jimtatertayte]

As I have already stated God gives everyone faith.
No one starts out with zero faith when they come into existence.

Okay, so you are saying that Romans 10:17 is a lie because everyone gets faith from God at existence. And you believe that everyone gets faith from God at existence because why?

Because it was already determined by God before they came into existence
in the creation of God. Even your name is determined
by God before you are born and everyone has one
just as so be it with faith.

[1213]

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How many times have you spoken the word of God to someone
and it did not give them any faith?...

Faith comes by so, but not necessary always. It does not say it will be so every time.

[jimtatertayte]

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How many times have you spoken the word of God to someone
and it did not give them any faith?...

Faith comes by so, but not necessary always. It does not say it will be so every time.

What you stated does not make any sense.

[The Tanager]

Okay, so you are saying that Romans 10:17 is a lie because everyone gets faith from God at existence. And you believe that everyone gets faith from God at existence because why?

Because it was already determined by God before they came into existence
in the creation of God. Even your name is determined
by God before you are born and everyone has one
just as so be it with faith.

But why do you believe these things? And, if your answer is different here, why should others believe as you do?

[brunumb]

No one starts out with zero faith when they come into existence.

Of course they do. Faith isn't given by God, it's inculcated by human beings acting on vulnerable minds. No gods necessary.

[jimtatertayte]

Okay, so you are saying that Romans 10:17 is a lie because everyone gets faith from God at existence. And you believe that everyone gets faith from God at existence because why?

Because it was already determined by God before they came into existence
in the creation of God. Even your name is determined
by God before you are born and everyone has one
just as so be it with faith.

But why do you believe these things? And, if your answer is different here, why should others believe as you do?

You can't believe me, and I do not expect you to believe me.
There is a level above believing I am above it.
In a term you may understand ...It is knowing it. I know it.
Now can you understand what I just stated to you?

Here is a very simple example:
I went and put money in a bank.
Now others may have to believe the money
they put in the bank is in the bank.
I do not have to believe the money I put in the bank is in the bank.
I know it is in the bank.