Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

[jimtatertayte]

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How many times have you spoken the word of God to someone
and it did not give them any faith?

Atheist read the words of God and it does not change them or give them any faith.

Many many people saw Jesus with their own eyes raise the dead and heal the lame, sick and blind
it did not give them any faith nor did it convert them. Many many people
walked and followed Jesus but turned back. Even His own 12 apostles had little faith,
for Jesus was always rebuking them for their lack of faith
and one of them betrayed Him.

So...Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

And where and how do you obtain your faith?

[2timothy316]

Even if someone hears the word of God spoken to them
and they reject it is proof that it did not give them the faith to believe it.

I agree. I also think Paul agrees. In verse 16 Paul says not all the Israelites accepted the good news. In verse 18 Paul says that the Israelites did hear the message (and gives scriptures to back it up). In other words, Paul does not mean what you think he means. He is not saying that everyone who hears the message will have faith.

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

The reason the letters Paul wrote are named the way they are is because they are letters to the congregations in that city, area or person. When Paul writes, "God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." He was not speaking to the whole world, he was speaking to Christians. In other words, the answer to your question is false as Paul was not speaking to just anyone.

If your faith does not come from the Spirit of God
then which spirit gives you your faith?

I didn't say that my faith doesn't come from God but that not everyone is going to listen to that spirit. One can only blame themselves for not listening. If a person has no faith, that doesn't mean that God's measure to that person was zero faith. Like it's His fault.

[PinSeeker]

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

Absolutely true. This is, in a nutshell, exactly what I just said. It is not a contradiction of Romans 10:17, and is a statement very much parallel to what Paul says in Ephesians 2:8 cited in my previous point.

Grace and peace to you.

[jimtatertayte]

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

Absolutely true. This is, in a nutshell, exactly what I just said. It is not a contradiction of Romans 10:17, and is a statement very much parallel to what Paul says in Ephesians 2:8 cited in my previous point.

Grace and peace to you.

When you prove it then you can claim it. Show me your proof
that you opinion of what you interpret as the words of another man means
that to which you are claiming to me.

[jimtatertayte]

Even if someone hears the word of God spoken to them
and they reject it is proof that it did not give them the faith to believe it.

I agree. I also think Paul agrees. In verse 16 Paul says not all the Israelites accepted the good news. In verse 18 Paul says that the Israelites did hear the message (and gives scriptures to back it up). In other words, Paul does not mean what you think he means. He is not saying that everyone who hears the message will have faith.

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

The reason the letters Paul wrote are named the way they are is because they are letters to the congregations in that city, area or person. When Paul writes, "God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." He was not speaking to the whole world, he was speaking to Christians. In other words, the answer to your question is false as Paul was not speaking to just anyone.

If your faith does not come from the Spirit of God
then which spirit gives you your faith?

I didn't say that my faith doesn't come from God but that not everyone is going to listen to that spirit. One can only blame themselves for not listening. If a person has no faith, that doesn't mean that God's measure to that person was zero faith. Like it's His fault.

Did you not answer ...False ...to this question
In one of your previous post?

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

[2timothy316]

Even if someone hears the word of God spoken to them
and they reject it is proof that it did not give them the faith to believe it.

I agree. I also think Paul agrees. In verse 16 Paul says not all the Israelites accepted the good news. In verse 18 Paul says that the Israelites did hear the message (and gives scriptures to back it up). In other words, Paul does not mean what you think he means. He is not saying that everyone who hears the message will have faith.

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

The reason the letters Paul wrote are named the way they are is because they are letters to the congregations in that city, area or person. When Paul writes, "God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." He was not speaking to the whole world, he was speaking to Christians. In other words, the answer to your question is false as Paul was not speaking to just anyone.

If your faith does not come from the Spirit of God
then which spirit gives you your faith?

I didn't say that my faith doesn't come from God but that not everyone is going to listen to that spirit. One can only blame themselves for not listening. If a person has no faith, that doesn't mean that God's measure to that person was zero faith. Like it's His fault.

Did you not answer ...False ...to this question
In one of your previous post?

False is the correct answer to "Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it was measured out to them by the Spirit of God."

Lets say that a person says that God measured out zero faith to them. That would be false. The keywords in your question is 'any measure'. Zero is a measurement, God doesn't hand out zero faith to anyone. Therefore the answer to your question is false.

Example: Revelation 21:4 says, "And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.+ The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful* and true.”

The above verse is meant to give hope and faith to those that want to hear it. His word has power behind it except to those that don't want to hear it. That is not God's fault if a His spirit falls on a person and yet their heart is cold and hard to what is being said.

[jimtatertayte]

Even if someone hears the word of God spoken to them
and they reject it is proof that it did not give them the faith to believe it.

I agree. I also think Paul agrees. In verse 16 Paul says not all the Israelites accepted the good news. In verse 18 Paul says that the Israelites did hear the message (and gives scriptures to back it up). In other words, Paul does not mean what you think he means. He is not saying that everyone who hears the message will have faith.

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

The reason the letters Paul wrote are named the way they are is because they are letters to the congregations in that city, area or person. When Paul writes, "God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." He was not speaking to the whole world, he was speaking to Christians. In other words, the answer to your question is false as Paul was not speaking to just anyone.

If your faith does not come from the Spirit of God
then which spirit gives you your faith?

I didn't say that my faith doesn't come from God but that not everyone is going to listen to that spirit. One can only blame themselves for not listening. If a person has no faith, that doesn't mean that God's measure to that person was zero faith. Like it's His fault.

Did you not answer ...False ...to this question
In one of your previous post?

False is the correct answer to "Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it was measured out to them by the Spirit of God."

Lets say that a person says that God measured out zero faith to them. That would be false. The keywords in your question is 'any measure'. Zero is a measurement, God doesn't hand out zero faith to anyone. Therefore the answer to your question is false.

Therefore zero faith anyone has of it was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

[2timothy316]

Therefore zero faith anyone has of it was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

False

[jimtatertayte]

Therefore zero faith anyone has of it was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

False

Prove it.

[jimtatertayte]

If all faith comes from the Spirit of faith,
then having no faith at all is you are dead.

Only them who have no faith are dead.
For faith without works is dead
so you are wrong and I am right.

[2timothy316]

Therefore zero faith anyone has of it was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

False

Prove it.

"Therefore, subject yourselves to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you. Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones." - James 4:7, 8

If God was the one that made a person put faith in Him so as to be in subjection to Him there would be no reason the plea above. Nor would anyone be indecisive.